Welcome to Pickerel Lake Recovery Center

We love when we get new listings to tell you about.  Pickerel Lake Recovery Center is the latest drug and alcohol rehab center to join our directory.  They are based out of Ontario and are implementing sober coaching into their program.  The offer a guarantee with their program, something we are glad to see more and more of in the drug rehab field.  They also offer Extreme Intervention services.

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241 Responses to Welcome to Pickerel Lake Recovery Center

  1. dontdoit says:

    Pickeral Lake is a fraud. This is John Haines 4th rehab centre in a year. Check out Vita Novus Compaints Board for any information before you fork over your money to this guy. There are many legitimate rehab centres in this country, so please..buyer beware.

    • admin says:

      We want open communication and input about any drug and alcohol rehab center. We would appreciate a little more detail though. What about their drug rehab program do you feel is a fraud? Did you attend Pickerel Lake Rehab? Are you an ex-employee? We welcome any information from some one who is presently at Pickerel Lake rehab to provide us with more information as well.

  2. dontdoit says:

    John Haines (owner) remains the only constant in 4- ADDICTION TREATMENT CENTERS in the past YEAR!
    1.Vita Novus
    2.Greenestone
    3.Lotus Addiction Center
    4.Pickerel Lake Recovery-NEWEST Company Name

    Cut and paste the below website…………where there is smoke, there is always certainly fire.
    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/vita-novus-new-life-recovery-center-stouffville-ontario-c353871.html

  3. admin says:

    The website for Lotus Addiction Treatment Center has the same 1 800 number as Pickerel Lake Recovery Center

    • dontdoit says:

      It is the same owner, who continues to move from location to location within months of each other.

      • admin says:

        We will be adding the ability to rate individual drug rehabs and leave specific comments about experiences while at their programs, both good and bad to our site very shortly. We truly hope this helps people make the drug rehab decision that is best for them

  4. WalkTheWalk says:

    I am an employee of Pickerel Lake Recovery Center and have been with the owners through their changes. I want to make it well known that the ex and disgruntled employees plus discharged or failed clients(possibly dontdoit above) are the ones responsible for these nasty, slanderous and defamatory comments and people should know that for one John Haines has moved locations but for reasons other than what was posted here and on these complaint sites. The facility was smaller before and could only allow some 20 clients and a bigger facility was needed and Pickerel Lake was picked. As Pickerel Lake was being readied the Lotus program at Greenstone was used in transition till the final location was ready. The people slandering John Haines and the facility seem to think it was cause they were shut down but that was not the case it was that the previous property didn’t suit what was needed for a larger facility and a decision had to be made by Mr. Haines and the old location(which was being leased) could not come to agreement for purchase (which involved legal proceedings and a battle between Vita Novus and the property owners) so instead they bought Pickerel Lake. Pickerel Lake is a beautiful Facility as well as a great program which can serve up to 35 clients by offering not only a great program but many amenities like 140 acres of serene landscape and property, with indoor pool, sauna, hot tub, games rooms, not to mention the accommodations are second to none with big comfortable beds, big screen televisions with DVD and Satellite and lots of space to be in while recovering.
    Mr Haines and his team have even opened a second facility in north Newmarket for those wanting a fortified 30 day program with none of the amenities like at Pickerel Lake but straight program at a lesser price for those that can’t afford the elite facility with all the bells and whistles.
    I have always held this man and his program in high regard and he dedicates his life to always making better available for those suffering from addiction, certainly nothing like the picture these cowards and less than standard people have painted with their slanderous and defamatory totally false comments on these complaint forums. Shame on them all and shame on those that judge someone or some place based on this ill remarks and postings.
    Your missing out on some of the best that addiction recovery has to offer.
    Please see the following news post:
    http://www.przoom.com/view.php?id=104090&editor=yes&auth_sess=cmp19si1kljl0qeudbtl9n0nu5&ref=9a5e883ce3d93f0eb07a75f3f

  5. admin says:

    You say shame on people for judging pickerel lake and yet you judge by calling them cowards and less than standard. Everyone is allowed their opinion. We can all make mistakes and be wrong. It is neither cowardly or shameful

  6. anonymousalcoholic says:

    I am a person with no vested interest, whatsoever. I have nothing to gain nor lose, financially or otherwise. I would like to comment on dontdoit. Pickeral Lake F******G rocks!! I am in recovery myself and not in treatment but attend AA meetings. I am only 2 1/2 months in this program, so maybe I DONT KNOW SHIT…..right…? Well, I have taken from Pickeral Lake Therapists a tonne of amazing stuff that has helped change my life. When I see these guys, hear these guys…they are getting exactly what they need to recover…and what is that folks??? F*****G HONESTY!! These boys are stripping down to the short and curlies and taking a real look at who they are. Pickeral Lake WORKS!! I am gaining insight into myself and my fellow man by attending these meetings and hearing the Pickeral Lake Boys. So dontdoit…..???!!! IF YOU DONT HAVE THE BALLS TO COME FORWARD AND BE HONEST..YOURE F*****D…YOU WILL NEVER RECOVER. YOU DONT GET IT AT ALL. YOU ARE RESENTFUL, ANGRY, HOLDING A GRUDGE, HAVE EGO AND FALSE PRIDE. EITHER GET WITH THE F******G PROGRAM OR GET THE F**K OUTTA HERE!! NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABVOUT YOUR PETTY GRIPES……unless you have the willingness to be honest… then hey, we are here… we forgive…we move on.. the ONLY GAMES YOURE PLAYING, THE ONLY ONE YOURE MANIPULATING IS YOURSELF. I learned that from a ‘kid’, 22 yrs old… he knew his shit..and I tell you he tried to love me, help me me because he could see the potential. But I didnt get it then and he ran for the hills …that sucked for me… but he knew what I was… A drunk, f****d up woman who didnt get it…. i am only starting to get it now. ….’dontdoit’…its your life man…make a decision…for YOURSELF. PISS OR GET THE F**K OFF THE POT. thanks for letting me share!!!

  7. admin says:

    Thanks for your view of Pickerel Lake Recovery

  8. anonymousalcoholic says:

    I fail to see how any of the business side of a Treatment/Recovery centre has any bearing on how well or effective the intended purpose of the facility does. Who cares how the owner(s) handles its affairs if the clients are receving the benefits. Unless clients are paying for a service and not receiving that service due to fraudulant actions, then it doesnt seem relevant as to the level or quality of care they are getting. If it is beneficial to the person in recovery and they are getting the quality that is advertised (regardless of the clients choices after/during treatment…everyone is accountable for choices), then Pickeral Lake is doing their services as advertised and agreed subsequent to intake and paperwork by the facilitators and the clients. The definition of fraud is quite clear defined by the law and uses simple terms anyone can understand. Pickeral Lake staff has nothing but the welfare of their clients at the top of the list for priorities as far as I can see. Actions/attitudes and results are what matters here.

  9. admin says:

    If a business does not get the required zoning and approvals, it can be shut down, which might be more than an inconvenience to anyone who was attending that program. Plus should not a drug and alcohol rehab program do as it teaches? I’m assuming they are not telling clients to go out and start their lives and break any rules that seem to get it your way. Plus why should any business get to choose which rules it follows? If you do not care about zoning, maybe they will not care about food safety and fire regulations? I’m not accusing anyone of anything, it just is not a great message to be sending out.

  10. anonymousalcoholic says:

    You have a great point there, I didn’t see it from that angle. Everyone sees things so differently. Thanks for reminding me that my brain is in recovery and I am still askew. Lots to learn!! I guess my idea was that I just dont see Pickeral Lake as some kind of scam. I would hate to think someone wouldn’t enter that facility because people think it is some kind of fraud. Once again, thanks. You’re right.

    • admin says:

      Hey it is wonderful you are doing well and learning so much. It is also nice to hear positive reviews about a program, everybody likes to complain, but we just do not hear enough compliments about all the people working so hard in the drug rehab field to help others!

  11. WalkTheWalk says:

    Lets clear the air on this comment by the “admin” of this very blog site or any admin of any blog site, who in this writers opinion, should adhere to rules as well, “not a great message to be sending out”?? ……don’t you think you should know the facts before you a facilitator of this very blog would make a bold statement like that?……”Why should any business get to choose which rules to follow?” “If you do not care about zoning, maybe they will not care about food safety and and fire regulations?” Again get the facts, Mr. Haines who is the owner was subject to bias by a local committee as to why a “Drug Rehab” would bring “drug crazed” individuals to our area and even questioned if this would in fact bring down their own land value, this is what raised the concern of the local township as to zoning, which as of very recent is not the case any more but was required to apply for a “Change of Use” permit for its main lodge as they changed some rooms from bedrooms to offices. I can assure you that the business will not be shut down and create any inconvenience for anyone attending the facility to “get well” from addiction. In fact the business and Mr Haines has brought to the local community, a fund by which to help local families in need that could not otherwise afford treatment, the ability to on a case by case basis have their treatment paid for by the center’s own foundation, please see http://www.1888pressrelease.com/pickerel-lake-recovery-offer-burks-falls-residents-community-pr-367623.html
    So Mr admin I will keep you and the others on this blog site, up to speed on the “Zoning” issue which as I said is just a change of use permit application for one building on the property. In the mean time Mr Haines and his team of specialists will continue to provide the very best in care to those that require a program for living. As one individual on here indicated there are 2 big meetings held at Pickerel Lake Recovery Center per week in which local recovering addicts and alcoholics attend at the Center’s big beautiful convention center and partake in an evening meeting of recovery. It seems there is lots of good being given to others and the local community regarding recovery by John Haines and Pickerel Lake Recovery Center.

  12. admin says:

    We were commenting on and responding to the statement, “I fail to see how any of the business side of a Treatment/Recovery centre has any bearing on how well or effective the intended purpose of the facility does.” in the previous comment. We were talking in terms of ANY recovery center that would ignore the business side of things like zoning. We made no mention of Pickerel Lake Recovery. We were commenting that such behavior would be not consistent with what a program would be teaching their clients, and not a good message to be sending out. Feel free to update us on anything you would like, we welcome any information you think would help people.

  13. Pickerel Lake Rehab says:

    If you are Owed Money from John Haines, Call the Mortgage Company and let them Know. The Company is Vector Financial – 1.416.483.8018 ext. 226 – Ask for Brenda. Tell them the Whole Story! Also you Need to Call Armour Township and let them know he Owes you Money or that you have Been Ripped Off by Him! Then…., Although it’s
    not their problem Unless you have been DeFrauded, You Need to Call the Burk’s Fall O.P.P. They are Very Aware of him. Call 1.888.310.and Ask for North Bay Communications Center.

    ***** I ask that anyone and everyone Repost this on Other Sites Get this Message Out!!! ***

  14. Cindy Smith says:

    http://howitworksrecovery.ca – I see that you have started another Rehab Center John. Can you please tell us about this place; how is it different from the other Rehab Centers, Costs, Location, etc…, Nothing on the site about your Staff, their background or Yourself. How it this place different then Pickerel Lake, Different Programs…,etc?

  15. WalkTheWalk says:

    How It Works Recovery is another recovery center opened by John Haines which caters to straight 30 day treatment of alcohol and drug addictions by a very fortified 30 days of “Hard Core” 12 step, “Big Book” treatment for those that don’t want the standard 45, 60 or 90 day treatment with all the amenities offered at Pickerel Lake. How it Works is also for those that need to “really get it right and hit it home hard” after a relapse or short term government funded center. How it Works Recovery also has the leading medically supervised opiate Detox by 2 opiate addiction specialist doctors and even provides for those looking for “Detox” only but only initial crisis addiction counseling as some counseling and program is still provided in the 7 to 10 day Detox only Program. All the staff are fully certified and experienced to provide the very best program available at a 30 day facility. There is aftercare for all local clients that attended either Pickerel Lake or How it Works held at the facility each and every Tuesday Night at 7:30pm as well the Family recovery program is held there every Sunday at noon which is streamed live over the internet to all families of clients from both facilities that live abroad. A great combination of 2 treatment centers provided by John Haines and the Vita Novus Foundation of Recovery. http://www.howitworksrecovery.ca and http://www.pickerellakerecovery.com

  16. concerned citizen says:

    The Armour Township Council meeting this past Tuesday was very informative. As per Council/Reeve, John Haines is still not abiding by the Town’s Cease and Desist Order and is still conducting business at the Pickerel Lake Rehab Center. The order is still in effect. We understand that John Haines did submit a amendment request for zoning which was rejected by the Town because it was incomplete. The bottom line is as Council/Reeve said, the Town is in the process of taking John Haines to Court. You can find this information for yourself by calling Armour Township as this is Public Information. The minutes of Tuesdays meeting will be up on Armour Township website shortly – http://www.armourtownship.ca/meetings.htm -

    The Council/Reeve indicated to all of us (it was a packed house) that if John Haines walked into the meeting, they would not recognize him as they have never met this man. Council/Reeve made is very clear that they are willing to work with any business who operates in their Township. The only consideration is, that they do it legally.

    • admin says:

      There are individuals working at Pickerel Lake Rehab Center who have commented in the past about what is happening in the developments in their center. Perhaps they will fill us in again. Thanks for this update.

  17. concerned citizen says:

    http://www.armourtownship.ca/pdf/may8_2012.pdf

    Please go to the above website. May,8,2012 Armour Township Council Meeting and See For Yourself what was discussed. Surprise, surprise, it’s not what John Haines is saying.

    The Minutes of Last Weeks Armour Township Meeting say the Town is in LEGAL PROCEEDINGS with the Owner and Pickerel Lake Rehab for Non -Compliance. I thought this was resolved John??? So you
    say you had an open house, but the Minutes of Last weeks meeting say different. Armour Township nor any of it’s Council Members have EVER been to Pickerel Lake Rehab. I guess that means you might be
    telling a LITTLE FIB, right John???. Of Course you are not going to respond. The Township Minutes must be lying, eh Johnny Boy???

    • admin says:

      Thanks for the information. Hopefully this will get resolved so the clients at Pickerel Lake Recovery will have one less thing to be concerned about.

  18. WalkTheWalk says:

    While freedom of speech must be allowed the minutes of the above posted meeting were of the past.
    I am an employee and want people to know that as of Tuesday evening May 15th the township councils (2 councils as one for the local Burks Falls who now have a say in all zoning and regional matters and the region council who have to now deal with planning to amend the zoning which is a legal process) have been to the center as well as the consortium of delegates locally who have not attended any of the council meetings thus far but will now over the next few months during this process to ensure that the local areas residents voices are heard in support of Pickerel Lake Recovery Center.
    There will be either a zoning amendment or change of use permit. But be now assured the very best planners and developers as well as local lawyers all in support of Pickerel Lake Recovery Resort and what this facility stands for in its dedication to the recovery of those that suffer from addiction are involved and will safeguard the longevity of the Center’s location.
    More info will follow but we were informed that this process will take some time to be dealt with and can be tied up in court for some time.
    In the mean time the very best in care for all clients that attend the center will be assured.
    We have just started our new wonderful program with the local area residents in addiction recovery meetings and 10 residents and recovered individuals who have helped bring the all new Equine therapy program to the facility.
    We will endevour to keep all informed.

  19. concerned citizen says:

    The bottom line is: There is STILL A CEASE AND DESIST ORDER IN AFFECT and John Haines is in BREACH OF THIS ORDER by Continuing His Operations at Pickerel Lake Rehab. The Town is in the process of TAKING JOHN HAINES TO COURT FOR NON-COMPLIANCE.

  20. Tax Payers Pay the Bill says:

    As a local Tax Payer, MY MONEY is being used to TAKE JOHN HAINES TO COURT!!! You bet I’m not happy. I have a seasonal home in this Township. I am just catching up with all that’s being going on for the past 6 months.

    So, Mr. Haines, you decided to ILLEGALLY OPERATE A REHAB CLINIC IN MY TOWNSHIP AND BECAUSE OF YOUR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, I NOW AS A TAX PAYER HAVE TO SPEND MY ( ALL OF OUR’S AS TAX PAYER’S) MONEY TO STOP YOU??? I ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE PETITIONS. SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE TO SEND IT. I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE TOWN.

    • admin says:

      Usually we hear updates from a Staff Member at Pickerel Lake Recovery Center. Maybe they will give us an update on how they are dealing with this situation and the petitions if they exist.

      • admin says:

        Earlier someone from Pickerel Lake Recovery said they were monitoring what was happening with the comments on this blog, and would update us. Sure would be great news if we heard this issue had been resolved to the satisfaction of everyone. Anybody know where this issue is at?

  21. johnnylovesyoualot says:

    Nothing has Changed at Pickerel Lake Rehab/Pickerel Lake Recovery.
    The Town is Taking John Haines to Court for OPERATING A BUSINESS ILLEGALLY as per Armour Township Zoning By-Laws.

    As far as the Petitions go, you can fax them or drop it off at the Town Office in Burks Falls. For Legal reasons, make sure only One Person signs each page. For example, if 10 individuals are signing the Petition, you will require 10 separate sheets of paper.

    Recently Two individuals who were at Pickerel Lake Rehab stated that they were ripped off. Surprise eh??? They paid for a lengthy stay only to be kicked out 3/4 ‘s of the way through their stay.

    Also, they stated that if you want drugs, the best place to go is Pickerel Lake Rehab/Recovery. It was stated that YOU CAN GET ANY KIND OF DRUGS AT THIS PLACE. This is why this industry needs to be REGULATED. THIS IS SAD. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF MR. HAINES!!!!

    There are individuals who say that John has illegally billed their Credit Cards for SERVICES THAT WERE NOT PROVIDED! This is CALLED FRAUD! This place has to be shut down. Victim’s are being Victimized all over again when they go to this place.

    You can find more information about this place, Google: John Haines, Pickerel Lake Rehab, Pickerel Lake Recovery, How it Works Recovery, Lotus, Fraud…., As so it continues………………………………..

  22. Pickerel Lake Rehab says:

    This man OWES A LOT OF PEOPLE MONEY. DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR AND STAY AWAY FROM THIS PLACE. HE’S NOTHING MORE THAN A CONMAN. HOW MAY REHAB CENTER’S DO YOU NEED TO OPERATE BEFORE YOU GET IT RIGHT. OH, WAIT A SECOND, THE INTENTION WAS NEVER TO OPERATE A REHAB CENTER PROPERLY, BUT SIMPLY TO TAKE YOUR MONEY! THIS IS JOHN’S BUSINESS PLAN WHEN IT COMES TO HIS OPERATIONS.

    THIS MESSAGE NEEDS TO GET OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE MEDIA, HEALTH CANADA, YOUR LOCAL MP’S, ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THE SCAM ARTIST, JOHN HAINES.

    THE ADMIN ON THIS SITE HAS GIVEN PICKEREL LAKE AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO ‘BRING US ALL UP TO SPEED’ WITH ALL THAT’S GOING ON WITH YOUR ILLEGAL OPERATION. YOU HAVEN’T SAID MUCH JOHN? PLEASE TELL US ALL HOW YOU ARE A GREAT GUY HELPING THOSE WITH ADDICTIONS.

  23. worldpressreporter says:

    Good Morning,

    I am a Freelance Reporter with interest in Health issues. I know we have spoken with some of you already. If anyone else wants to share their personal experience about Pickerel Lake Recovery or any other Rehab Center’s that you have attended operated by Mr. John Haines, you can contact me at: worldpressreporter@gmail.com – You information will be kept confidential unless you want to ‘Go on the Record’ with your story.

    Thank you,

    Wendy,
    Worldpressreporter@gmail.com

    • admin says:

      If you have any information about Pickerel Lake Recovery that you can share and will help people feel free to let us know. I hope this ultimately is resolved to everyone’s satisfaction.

  24. The Jig is Up says:

    Please do your own research on any rehab center that you will be attending. These kinds of Forums will only work if you share your experience. This Industry Needs to be Regulated! This is why people like John Haines are getting away with this stuff. But, the word is getting out about Haines.

    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/pickerel-lake-lodge-recovery-l114/page/10

    Reposted from the link (site) above.

    emmyy37
    Aug 22, 2012
    THIS PLACE IS A JOKE

    my parents were trying to find a really good treatment centre for me to go too. and so they called the addiction hotline or some shit like that. and the women said that pikeral lake would be the best choice. HAHAHAHHAHA what a joke that was. litle did i know that that women was working for john. so the more people she told to go there the more money she got. wow what a scam what horrible people. and holy fuck once i got there the place was legit the biggest joke ever. the councellors were jokes the programs and all the stuff we did were evn bigger jokes. i have been to multiple rehab centres. 6 to be exact. and this one was by far the worst, hands down. by a landslide. AND its uber expensive. I FUCKING HATED RICK. he legit had no compassion for anyone. he picked favorites. he is a mean evil horrible person. who says the same shit everyday. like the whole 45 days iu was there all he wopuld do was read the alcoholics anonymous book for a 2 hour session. it was sooooo boring and i pretty much just slept my way through group. and yah john and his broken promises. hahahhahaha i could name sooo many. like how he said there would be a pool and a hottub and there was eventually once it took them like 2 week to setup. and it was so gross. and the new place was a piece of old shit. he said it was gunna be beautiful and new. noooway. and we lost poewer when we were there so nobody could take a shower for like 5 days. and we all had to sleep in the group room on the floor with a fucking fire. and they put me on the wrong meds completely. i was on this one med that made me feel like i was on a bad batch of herion. and yah everyone sleeps with one another there. the staff with staff the staff with clients and the clients with clients, and people have like slit their wrists there and almost overdosed on drugs and this is a fucking treatment centre its not a fucking party. it is soo poorly run. john should be sued and be put in jail one hundred percent. hes such a good liar too. like when my parents talked to him on the phone before i came he was sooo nice and my parents totally feell for it. AND FOR FUCK SAKES IT WAS KEITH WHO SLEPT WITH THE FUCKIONG CLIENT. THE GUY WITH THE TATOOS AND BALD HEAD . EWWWW HE WAS MARRIED WITH KIDS TOO AND HE HAD A TATOO ABOUT HIS KIDS N SHIT. and he would always talk about how he loved them so much and whatever. like what a slimey greaseball. and he would talk to me about how i had soo many issues and how bad i was doing. wowowowoowowow he needs to go to sex addicts anonymous. anyways i could even say alot more but ill just leave it at that!

    Within time
    Aug 23, 2012

    This place needs help
    This place is infanct a complete joke and you are very right about most of the things you claim. However I do have to say not all the staff are jokes. Recently this place has seen a flood of workers Comming and going, this is because John has made it unbearable to be an employee for him due to the way this place is run. As a former employee I seen plenty of intolerable acts being done and then just swept under the rug. They claimed to have so much to offer but lacked in multiple ways. The place is full of bugs and dirt in every corner. It took a inspection from the city to influence John to have the team clean the place from tops to bottom. 1 Reason this place was so dirty was because the staff shortage. The pool room is always filthy. The floor in the change room have years of meldew an fungus on them. They changed the rules an regulations almost every week, making it very hard for clients to get use to routine and daily structure but then would talk about how structure is such a big part of recovery- yet johns program was the farthest from structured. Go to pickerel lake and you will find counsellors braking the rules( what a good way to show clients to follow them) they tell the clients not to smoke in certain areas of the property ( understandable) but then you can catch a counsellors enjoying a cigarette with the client in a non smoking area.. Not every counsellor is in recovery. An one in particular has no boundaries telling you all about their weekend and the ice cold beer they enjoyed.- unporfessional and a good way to screw with someone’s recovery.

    So much more could be said but isn’t nesasary, just hope people see these comments before thinking of sending your love ones to a place like this. Alway do our research when it comes to a good recovery program.

  25. The Jig is Up says:

    Okay, on to Rehab Number 7, or is it 8? So this is what happens, Too much Negative Publicity about Pickerel Lake Recovery and the many other rehabs centers operated by John Haines, so Time for a Name Change to bring in more customers! Now we have http://www.muskokarecovery.com

    http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2012/08/muskoka-recovery-center-your-gateway-to-sober-living-2444712.html

    Pass the Word Along Please about MuskokaRecovery.com and John Haines!

  26. The Jig is Up says:

    Right from the Horses Mouth! Please read the blog below. John Haines way of doing Damage Control. Why would you have to change the Name of your Rehab Center every 3, 4 Months John????? Because You are a Conman and people are Catching On!!! This man Owes Lots of Money to Lots of People.

    Many blogs out there from Former Employees about how John knew they were USING DRUGS and still they were put in POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY. They were HIGH but were supposed to Help Other Addicts??? That pretty much clears it up for me, He doesn’t care about you, just YOUR MONEY.

    Muskoka Recovery Center is the New Game in Town. Same Owner. John Haines, same location, same phone numbers, Same Crap. Don’t be fooled.

    I find it interesting that he is admitting he has been Charged Criminally. But he tries to Play Off the Criminal Allegations. They Are All True! Drunk Driving, Impersonating a Lawyer, Assault. He forgot to mention that he was charged for Dealing!!!

    You have been told you are welcome to come on this Forum and Clear the Air. I believe if people truly try to change, that’s great! You on the other hand have no desire to change. You and I, and lots of other people know you are Just in This for THE MONEY. Nothing wrong with making a living either John. The problem with you, as has been mentioned on Many, Many Blogs, well, Your Just a Conman.

    Another Name Change? How about you Change the Way You Do Business. Just a suggestion! People have had Enough of your Crap. This is why as you said, You are Taking a Hit on the Internet. Think about it.

    https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/220847#longdescr

    (1888PressRelease) Addiction Treatment Center in Muskoka gets slandered and smeared by many of those they have tried to help or have even employed over the past 5 years.

    People suffering from addiction and many of those that work in the industry seem to be just as sick as the others. Muskoka Recovery Center also Pickerel Lake Recovery Center has taken many hits online by those that either failed at recovery or were employed and were fired for not being able to maintain the high degree of professionalism needed by those working in this industry.

    All the aforementioned people have taken to the internet to smear the good name of the treatment center or its owners for trying to help but now deflecting their own transgressions. But not all bad has come from these abundant posts online that continue to this day, “we always take the good from bad” says John Haines, Director and owner of Muskoka and Pickerel Lake Recovery Center, we have taken a look at all the complaints and criticism and benefitted by changing and making better such as the employees, the amenities and even the food.

    Haines himself doesn’t mind that his shady past is posted for all to see online but that fact is that it is many years ago, some old criminal charges and some nasty allegations but “That is why my addiction recovery has changed me, I am not that same person anymore, I do this business to give back to the world that I so took for granted in the past” says John. “People change for the better when they truly overcome and recover from their addictions”.

  27. muskokarecovery says:

    Ok. So if you go to the Testimonials Sections of both of John Rehab Centers; Muskoka Recovery and Pickerel Lake Recovery, you will have a bit of a Laugh…, You see, if you Look Closely at the Testimonials, you will see where Pickerel Lake is switched for Muskoka Lakes. Depends on what website you are on.

    Makes you wonder what other Lies this Man Tells? I think you need to go back to ” How to become a Scammer” School John, for a Refresher Course. You’re messing up more and more. Must be the Stress that comes with Telling Lies. The Truth Will Set You Free Brother!

    http://www.muskokarecovery.com/testimonials.html

    http://www.pickerellakerecovery.com/testimonials.html

    http://www.pickerellakerecovery.com/testimonials.html
    James D and Katie R from Nova Scotia
    Our daughter, Kate, came to Pickerel Lake unsure of herself and angry at the world. She left Pickerel Lake Recovery with a newfound sense of calm, and with a firm foundation in recovery. Both Connie and Keith offer individualized attention, a nurturing environment, as well as the structure necessary for a new way of life. There are no guarantees in recovery from addiction. But Pickerel Lake Recovery provided an excellent beginning for Kate that we believe will give her a good opportunity for the healthy, successful life she deserves.

    http://www.muskokarecovery.com/testimonials.html
    James D and Katie R from Nova Scotia
    Our daughter, Kate, came to Muskoka unsure of herself and angry at the world. She left Muskoka Recovery with a newfound sense of calm, and with a firm foundation in recovery. Both Connie and Keith offer individualized attention, a nurturing environment, as well as the structure necessary for a new way of life. There are no guarantees in recovery from addiction. But Muskoka Recovery provided an excellent beginning for Kate that we believe will give her a good opportunity for the healthy, successful life she deserves.

    http://www.pickerellakerecovery.com/testimonials.html
    Dear John and Staff of Pickerel Lake Recovery Center,

    We wanted to follow up on our experience with Pickerel lake Recovery Center during our son’s stay from December to February of this year. We, of course, had preferred that he remain in the facility for an extended period of time, but he was determined to begin sober living on his own. That being said, our life and outlook has been transformed by his experience and left the facility on good footing and with good perspective.

    We realize that there were special challenges with our son that complicated his treatment regimen. The staff at Pickerel Lake has done an amazing job addressing these challenges. They seem to
    understand that there is a proven regimen that is successful in treatingthe disease of addiction, but also that each individual poses a unique set of challenges and the manner in which the tools are
    applied must be tailored to each person. This has been done to great effect with our son, and we are thankful for all of the help and understanding during this difficult process. Our son is young and has
    the opportunity of having a bright future, which was not the case prior to December of 2011. Because of experience with Pickerel Lake Recovery he now gets a new start, from a different perspective, and
    with his eyes wide open to the possibilities of a sober life. We will always be grateful for the care the staff gave him while he was at Pickerel Lake, and for the kindness that was shown to us.

    Tracy S

    http://www.muskokarecovery.com/testimonials.html
    Dear John and Staff of Muskoka Recovery Center,

    We wanted to follow up on our experience with Muskoka Recovery Center during our son’s stay from December to February of this year. We, of course, had preferred that he remain in the facility
    for an extended period of time, but he was determined to begin sober living on his own. That being said, our life and outlook has been transformed by his experience and left the facility on good footing
    and with good perspective.

    We realize that there were special challenges with our son that complicated his treatment regimen.The staff at Muskoka has done an amazing job addressing these challenges. They seem to
    understand that there is a proven regimen that is successful in treating the disease of addiction, but also that each individual poses a unique set of challenges and the manner in which the tools are
    applied must be tailored to each person. This has been done to great effect with our son, and we are thankful for all of the help and understanding during this difficult process. Our son is young and has
    the opportunity of having a bright future, which was not the case prior to December of 2011. Because of experience with Muskoka Recovery he now gets a new start, from a different perspective, and with his eyes wide open to the possibilities of a sober life. We will always be grateful for the care the staff gave him while he was at Muskoka, and for the kindness that was shown to us.

    Tracy S

  28. MuskokaFine says:

    Thank you admin
    But we have had to prove these people that post negative post half truths and full lies and out and out slander showing their true hatred within……..The mentioned posts speak for themselves…..and what the individual above (who is infact committing a crime by using our name without consent) posts old data from Mr. Haines’ past…..he openly admits to his past indiscretions and criminal past, but what was in the past is truly in the past. We would all like to know how you know he is “just in it for the money” is there some basis for that comment?? or is that your opinion??…….. Sounds a lot like your opinion is based on jealousy and maybe some resentment.

    OH and by the way……… thanks for posting all the positive comments forwarded by former SUCCESSFUL & HAPPY clients of Mr Haines program at any of his facilities.

    EVERY LIFE IS WORTH SAVING!!
    Even yours person posting as “muskokarecovery”

    • admin says:

      We are still getting comments stating the town says there is no agreement on zoning. Perhaps you could do another press release with a copy of the agreement, so you can put this to bed for good. You are welcome to post any copies of the zoning or licensing issues on our site, we would be glad to help spread the word.

  29. muskokarecovery says:

    Spoke with the Town. Well, John you are a Liar! I know, no big news.

    Please call the Town: Municipal Office
    56 Ontario Street, P.O.Box 533
    Burk’s Falls, Ontario Canada P0A 1C0
    705 382-3332 or 705-382-2954
    Fax: 705-382-2068

    They will tell you John is Still Operating Illegally. Zoning laws have not been dealt with. They are still going to Court. Court date put off until December. Yes, please call and see for yourself. This is Public Information.

    Johnny, Johnny, Johnny. When will you start to tell the Truth. Charged for Dealing, Money Laundering, Assault, Impersonation Lawyers. I will stop for now. But please, call the Town as John has asked. You’re a Stupid Man John. ‘You can fool some of the people some of the time, but, everybody is On To You!

  30. pickerellakeresident says:

    As a local resident, we have been deeply involved with monitoring the ongoings with john haines and pickerel lake recovery. I understand now it’s called muskoka recovery center. As we have petitions against this place, I was surprised to find out that john haines was saying that he went to court and won.

    I spoke with the town and was assured that john hasn’t won anything. They court date was put off for a few months. The town said no ammendments were made for zoning laws so this is what the court case is still all about.

    I also spoke with the local newspaper to find out if they knew anything. They said the samething, zoning issues have not been dealt with. I asked about the cease and desist order. They told me nothing has changed as fare as they know and there is still a cease and desist order in place.

    • admin says:

      It certainly does seem confusing that Muskoka or Pickerel Lake Recovery would say the issue is settled and that they will be there for years to come and are expanding, if the town is saying they are still going to court. Again maybe it would be best if Muskoka or Pickerel Lake would post the approvals they talked about on line for all to see.

  31. MuskokaFine says:

    Ask muskokarecovery why it was put off……whoever they are speaking to is not telling the complete truth…….it(the August court date and case) was “ADJOURNED” ……WHY??….because of the proving of being “IN COMPLIANCE” and the process that must be taken….proper officials are right now providing the proper format to show zoning compliance……and the resident or so called resident lets talk about petitions of people that “are for the place” by local residents not to mention Pickerel Lake Recovery Center is the largest RATE PAYER on the lake and will have the biggest say at the end of the day…….. so lets just see where all this goes and yes December or before the proper documentation will be available for all to see……..UNTIL THEN…..its business as usual!!

    hey muskokarecovery……or sunil, liz, bill or even shane…..narrowing in on you (yes a regional IP was found now will get it pin pointed with court order)……how was the legal documentation received by registered mail??
    You see its ILLEGAL to use a trademark name without consent and then to slander them online
    every time you post you never answer about your own illegal actions and your own lies…….this will all catch up with you.

    Hey to clear up another thing…..a small group of us were hired by John and his company to respond here online to people like you and others where we see fit about FACTS and eventually to report when you and others are arrested. See in Canada we dont have freedom of speech and kit IS ILLEGAL to use labels of someone such as FRAUD or SCAM……. so surf the internet about new laws passed that make this and cyber bullying ILLEGAL.

    Every Life is worth saving!!

    • admin says:

      I am sorry, but I am having a little difficulty following what you are saying. If it is adjourned, Google’s definition of adjourned is:

      adjourned : past participle, past tense of ad·journ (Verb)Verb: 1.Break off (a meeting, legal case, or game) with the intention of resuming it later

      So is the case simply being put off until later or is the zoning complete as you stated in an earlier post “yes zoning taken care of so we stay put”. Are you also saying because you pay the most taxes you will get what you want, and the other rate payers won’t?

      So is the zoning “taken care of” or not?

  32. MuskokaFine says:

    To answer Admin

    The court date was put off to have the proper process of “zoning” met…..which takes time and rather than dismiss the action all together and have to start over it was easier and safer(as well as smarter too) to adjourn to the later date giving time to RESOLVE the matter.

    As far as “paying larger tax rates” was only meant that we would have a “large” say in what we want to see at the lake.

    So we will report back in December or sooner if we resolve before.

    thank you

  33. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    JOHN, JUST SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND, WHEN YOU SAID……,

    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2012/08/25/muskoka-recovery-center/

    MuskokaFine says:
    August 27, 2012 at 2:18 am

    “Well we challenged it and won as with our hired planners and local lawyers we have changed and are now going for rezoning for future development and road allotment……so contrary to other reports and posts on this site we are NOT operating illegally nor is the town taking us to court.”

    ……, YOU WERE LYING. WELL, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION JOHN. SO TO GET IT RIGHT EVERYONE, THIS PLACE STILL HAS A CEASE AND DESIST ORDER AND IS STILL OPERATING ILLEGALLY PER ZONING LAWS. THE MATTER (illegal operation of rehab center on Pickerel Lake Road) STILL TO BE ‘RESOLVED WITH A COURT DATE SET FOR DECEMBER, 2012. JOHN HAINES WILL LET US ALL KNOW IF THE MATTER IS RESOLVED BEFORE DECEMBER. I UNDERSTAND FULLY NOW.

  34. muskokarecovery says:

    Thanks for the Update John. I think I’ve made my Point!

    “God, Give us the grace to accept with serenity
    the things that cannot be changed, Courage
    to change the things which should be changed,
    And the wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.”

  35. MuskokaFine says:

    ADMIN….

    Having said all the above what about this site’s blogging policy??
    Why would you post something as “blogging policy” and allow these people that post to slander and defame people and organizations??

    your own policy states:
    Canadian Drug Rehab Centres Directory has created the subsequent guidelines for its bloggers to follow

    Agree not to post any material that is obscene, defamatory, profane, libelous, threatening, harassing, abusive, hateful or embarrassing to another person or any other person or entity.
    Agree not to post any material that is copyrighted unless (a) you are the copyright owner, (b) have the express, written permission of the copyright owner to post the copyrighted material on your blog, or (c) are reasonably sure that the use of any copyrighted material conforms to the doctrine of “fair use.”
    Agree not to post material that contains viruses, Trojan horses, worms, or any other computer programming routines or engines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data, or information.
    Acknowledge that any reliance on material, content and/or links posted by other parties will be at your own risk. You assume full legal responsibility and liability for all actions arising from your posts.

    why post those and then not follow them??

    not to post any material that is obscene, defamatory, profane, libelous, threatening, harassing, abusive, hateful or embarrassing to another person or any other person or entity……YOU ARE ALLOWING THIS – see above posts by “the jig is up”, and “muskokarecovery” using our name??….what is that??

    Please admin follow your own rules and remove the posted material that is “obscene, defamatory, profane, libelous, threatening, harassing, abusive, hateful or embarrassing to another person or any other person or entity.” as per your own words

    You have actually been sent legal notification about the above and the subsequent requests to remove material several times!!

    ANY ANSWERS ADMIN WOULD BE APPRECIATED…….ACTIONS WOULD BE BETTER!!

  36. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Thank you to Canadian Drug for this Forum! If it wasn’t for Forums like this bringing issues like this to light, and actually holding people, companies in the Rehab Business accountable, a lot more people would be victimized. This industry is NOT REGULATED and Scam Artists are taking advantage of this!

    We have seen that some in Rehab Business actually think it’s ok to tell lies about their Rehab Centers. In this case One of Them Got Caught in a very public way. Now the word is out.

    The individuals who attend these Rehab Centers are not at a good point to begin with and fasting talking Conartists in the rehab business can and does Victimized them again, and again.

    When they leave, they are thinking I just spent $30,000.00 dollars and I am no further ahead. For that kind of money I think you should be getting more than the 12 Step Program. People have to beg and borrow, Families go in Debt sending Loved Ones to Rehab Centers. Conman are filling their pockets!

    I think they deserve much better Service then they have been receiving at places like Pickerel Lake Recovery, now called Muskoka Recovey Center. This is according to Former Employees of the above Rehab Centers. Just read some of the blogs above or do a Google Search.

    Again, Thank You Canadian Drug for this Forum and I believe by doing what you are doing and getting the message out, You Are helping some of the most Vulnerable in Our Society by providing the kind of information that you have been on this Forum!

  37. sincerthankyoufrommyheart says:

    To all who are involved in bringing the activities of john haines to the forefront, I want to thank you. We spent a lot of money sending a family member to his rehab clinic. The worst mistake we made. We are still paying off the money we borrowed.

    We thought he was running a licensed facility. We found out much, much later there is no licensing for rehab clinics in ontario. Anyone can start a rehab center. John Haines has started many of them. If we had this kind of information before, we would have never made that mistake.

    Again, Thank You for what you are doing!

    • admin says:

      We just want to stress again to go and tour a drug rehab center before you commit large sums of money. Read the refund policy and be comfortable with it. Talk to a couple of clients in the program while you are there touring it. If you are at all unsure, then ask to pay for only the first 15 days. If they will not agree to this and you cannot afford to lose your money if the situation is not right, then maybe you want to keep looking for another facility. In provinces with no licensing, you have to be even more careful and do your homework even more. Quebec has a certification process and Narconon Three Rivers was closed down this year as they were unable to meet the requirements.

  38. dontdoit says:

    Herein lies the issue admin. When you have a loved one who is on death’s door, and finally get an agreement from him/her to go to a treatment centre, you have to move fast. So many of us, turn to Canadian websites, to quickly help us to find a solution. We did just that, and unfortunatly came upon a website that we thought was Government run, but was not. We later found out, that the people operating this service were paid a commission by John Haines for every person that they successfully recruited to one of his facilities. The conversation was very convincing. We spoke to a recovered addict, who in no uncertain terms, told us that the government run programs were filled with “street people”, and that there would most likely be a waiting list. We were also told that the availability of street drugs were easily obtained in the government run establishments. We were told that our loved one would have to detox in a hospital, and would have to wait to get treatment, compared to going to John Haines business, where he would detox immediatly, followed by a 45 day program, with guaranteed results to boot!!!! We felt that this was the only answer, as our needs were urgent. The person on the phone, sold us almost immediatly, and yes, it was a sales job. The government must begin to put policies and laws in place where it should be illegal for profit hungry companies to disguise their “commission” motivations in such a devious manner, as the potential customer is at one of their most vunerable points in their lives, trying to save thier loved one or themselves.
    As concerned citizens, we need to come together and lobby for government control over a truly worthy cause, where life and death lies in the balance.

  39. muskokarecovery says:

    To the POLICE, Please please please, We are all asking You to Put this Man in Jail for being an Idiot. ((An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way.)) This is posted by way of legal requirements: Criminal Code, Section: My name is John has and I got busted Big Time on this website when I tried to tell more lies.
    CCC Sec. 123,456 or 7: My name is John Haines and this is the only way I can try to stop the Truth about my Illegal Rehab Centers from coming out. By trying to intimidate people ((Definition of INTIMIDATE. : to make timid or fearful : frighten; especially : to compel or deter by or as if by threats))

    So as most of us know, John Haines is the Author of all the posts telling us how great John or his Illegal rehab clinics are. He uses: TeamVita, Walkthewalk, Legal Symtec among many, many other names on this and many other websites.

    Please take the time and go to the blog below,. pay attention to: WalktheWalk/Feb 23, 2012 http://www.complaintboard.com/vita-novus-new-life-recovery-center-l780.html

    Here John once again was telling everyone what a great healer John Haines is. But you are not supposed to know it’s John Haines who wrote this post, because, well, he thinks everyone is stupid…., How is your nephew John. I hope it all worked out well.

    By WalktheWalk/Feb 23, 2012
    I just learned that Vita Novus had moved to Muskoka under the name of Lotus Treatment Center. I cannot for the life of me understand all these complaints I’ve been reading about. Are you all some unhappy patient who has relapsed or have you not worked your program or maybe you were an employee who didn’t turn out well or maybe also relapsed? I had a nephew who was at Vita Novus some time ago and the changed man we received back home was amazing!! Vita Novus kept in contact with us since we live out of province. We conducted our weekly meetings via phone and teleconferencing. John is an amazing healer and while my nephew was there I did visit a couple of times with my sister and learned from other family members of patients how happy they were to see their loved ones come along so remarkably well. They told me the meals were fantastic, they were all very well-cared for, wonderful rooms with TVs, recreation and more. We learned that many have relapsed and those like my nephew have tried so many short term programs. They just do not work for the majority. That is why a long term place is necessary for patients like my nephew. So for you and everyone else here who lodge thewe false complaints to ruin someone’s reputation, please read on.

    I see complaints about John being a criminal, alcoholic etc and in recovery himself. I don’t believe this information was ever hidden. Have you never watched Dr. Drew who runs a weekly TV show and has the Pasadena Recovery Center in the US? He and his staff were at one time all in recovery and therefore who best knows their patients? I think you should all be searching your souls for the way you and others have behaved here, like a bunch of snivelling, whiny kids who need to get a life and grow up!! You should all be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves, trying to dishonour someone’s reputation when he’s doing so much good for those WANTING the help! You are the ones who all need help. If your program did not do it for you then seek ongoing help through your local addiction centre, but YOU have to do the work, not expect some miracle to bring you back to life. Recovery places give you the basis and all the help you need to carry on but YOU need to continue working your programs, helping you with your sobriety or addiction. My nephew has learned this. So obvious you are all carrying this grudge because you need to blame your faults on someone else! My nephew has been doing great by following up and from the person he was (a total mess) to the young man he is now is totally amazing! We are so proud of him and many thanks to Vita Novus.

    Once again, To the POLICE, Please please please, We are all asking You to Put this Man in Jail for being an Idiot. Remember, the law clearly states that IT’S NOT SLANDER WHEN IT’S TRUE!!!

  40. MuskokaFine says:

    Hey person or persons such as Sunil Ram, Liz Little, Shane Borque or Bill the security guard and many others we are finding out more about, all posing at one time or another as someone else because they are too COWARDLY to post their real names for fear of retribution or challenge on your so called facts!!…..get it right…Mr John Haines has staff or hired people that actually come on here(thats right hired staff my name is Richard…..maybe you care to challenge my credentials without knowing me) and answer your Slanderous, yes SLANDEROUS and DEFAMATORY (Definition of DEFAMATION: the act of defaming another : SLANDER: the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another’s reputation) None of what you speak of is true and can be proven(and the publishing of someones PAST criminal record is ILLEGAL, and even more illegal and can get many persons in hot water if you someway had a police associate or lawyer give you that information or conduct an illegal CPIC – which is traceable) and until it is proven it is considered false!!…..so show proof …..proof is not by way of a few others posting complaints online saying the same thing over and over. We will see come the future as what was considered a WIN against the town(yes when it was said “we won” was that we are being taken into consideration for being in “zoning compliance” that “muskokarecovery” is a WIN(not a lie as you have written on this and at least 2 other sites – which sir or madame is SLANDER and DEFAMATION) to us and soon will be documented truth.
    So next time you refer to it being the “truth” be dam sure it is!! not “what you believe to be the truth”…… While we may be forced to read your postings over and over I can assure you, as a few other happy fellow hired individuals of Mr Haines, that John has much better things to do than to come on here and (in many different names) respond to your ludicrous accusations.

    And one further thing…….as far as what you are trying to do in the way of reputation or business damage…….we are many steps ahead of you and will still be saving lives long after you are gone. You see the forum you have created is made of a minority compared to those that have overcome addiction by way of Mr Haines and his centres and will continue to recover in spite of your efforts, because you need to know that GOOD will always prevail!!

  41. muskokarecovery says:

    The problem Admin, he doesn’t have any positive stories. Well, that’s not really true, he has positive stories…, the problem…, He wrote it himself about himself, and about his illegal rehab centers. Nice post John, um…, I mean…, Richard…, Richard is one of Johns many personalities. Again, I hope your nephew is ok John/Richard.

    John states above: MuskokaFine says:September 3, 2012 at 6:02 am

    (( yes when it was said “we won” was that we are being taken into consideration for being in “zoning compliance” )) Being taken into consideration means it hasn’t been done yet…., That’s called double talk. This happens when a person is caught lying and doesn’t have an answer. You look up the word this time John.

    Question??? So, John, Are you saying you were lying when YOU Wrote the post on 10th of May, 2012. ( See Below ) Because again, that post was saying you were not being taken to Court ( Lie # 1) and that you were in Compliance ( Lie # 2). I am really confused Richard?

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/john-haines-pickerel-lake-rehab-and-how-it-works-recovery-burks-fall-and-newmart-ontari-ontario-c589480.html?page=2when you Said:

    (By Team Vita Rehab) 10th of May, 2012
    Thank you for posting the non-truths once again.
    So that everyone reading this knows the truth, Armour Township has no court order and John Haines and Pickerel Lake Recovery are in compliance so much so that the Armour Township Council as well as Burks Falls mayor/reeve and council and 2 neighboring councils and well as some selected support groups of residents and LOCAL citizens are attending our location for an official meet and greet open house to see and meet staff as well as owner John Haines and to see what actually goes on at the facility.

    Well, that’s it for now John/Richard. Again, I hope your invisible nephew is okay.

  42. MuskokaFine says:

    We would like to direct those with positive stories to post here but due to the negative posts on here and other blogs we might fear they would be subject to ridicule or still they may be accused of “being made up by John Haines”
    Most would just send positive email letters and we would have them posted on the website, most however prefer to go on with their life and be thankful recovery worked in their battle with addiction.

    Some updates to note and to answer some of the negative comments…….there are regulations for both employees and centres if they choose in Ontario
    The ones for Counselors and ALL Pickerel Lake Recovery Center Counselors now have are
    1 – Registered and certified with the CACCF(Canadian Addiction Counsellors Certification Federation) and CACII – are all counsellors who have met the “standards criteria” set by the Examining Board of the CCPC
    2 – to all hold at least CACD cert and possibly ICACD

    That is most of the reason for 3-4 months ago we had high staff turn around with half the staff was that many were not registered and could not get registered but were offered jobs again once they were completely certified.
    As for staff in other positions they just did not meet what we tried to do in placing our staff all in higher regards.

    The facility itself is being registered and will follow all guidelines set out by CARF – Commission on Accreditation of Rehabilitation Facilities

    We also have all our healthcare people at our Detox center in the GTA to be registered with CSAM – The Canadian Society of Addiction Medicine.

    AND

    ONE more time the center is not operating “Illegally” but only “alleged” to be (as not proven in court, thereby not legally ruled so!!) so as per not meeting zoning criteria and the “adjourning” of the August court case is to show that we meet all criteria now and to allow for our application the proper course it deserves………not the so called “LIE” that the previous posters say we printed but to us it was a “win”….a “victory” and soon as it is so we will report and post it for all to see.

    And until such time rather than answer any questions or to respond to any more ridiculous accusations in this or any other blog we invite all to email anything in form of a question or comment and we will respond expeditiously at info@pickerellakerecovery.com

    thank you

    • admin says:

      We have several positive posts on this blog from people about the treatment they had at Pickerel Lake. There was no ridicule or accusations that I was aware of placed under those comments. Thank you for the information you have provided.

  43. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Now I’m confused. You were asked a question above and you didn’t answer it. So I will ask it: Question??? So, John, Were you lying when YOU Wrote the post on 10th of May, 2012 where you were claiming that you in (SO MUCH) compliance that, blah, blah, blah.

    Now we hear from you on the above post by muskokafine: “ONE more time the center is not operating “Illegally” but only “alleged” to be (as not proven in court, thereby not legally ruled so!!)” Somebody is trying to play Lawyer again!

    Here’s the Story John, You are running Illegal Rehab Centers and there is a Cease and Desist order in place. Or is that a “alleged” Cease and Desist Order in Place?

  44. MuskokaFine says:

    OK here it is Moron in grade 1 simplicity so even you and your “multi name” posts ie muskokarecovery, gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn, dontdoit and any others…..and you talk about john doing many different posts under different names
    I am NOT John but I am contracted by him because I can spell it out online with PR much like you are attempting but I get paid to do my job

    anyways…….

    The TRUTH about what you ask above is this…….AND YES CALL THE TOWN TO VERIFY….or better still a Zoning By-Law Application lawyer that will confirm what I am about to tell you!!

    What Pickerel Lake Recovery and John Haines got from the Town was a “LETTER” from the township of Armour council saying the center is operating illegally as per the zoning and local by-law, now the court date that was adjourned from August to December was for a hearing to “OBTAIN AN “ORDER”…….a “COURT ORDER” to Cease and Desist…..so in effect all thats in place right now is an “ALLEGATION” of “OPERATING ILLEGALLY” by way of a “LETTER” not an official “ORDER” by an “ONTARIO COURT OF JUSTICE”…….and there is court process in order to obtain such an order of which first a lawyer representing the township files a case in court of which the AUGUST date was just to be the “FIRST APPEARANCE” not even the date that an order would be decided……anyways its adjourned because a Huntsville Planning company working with a prominent Zoning By-Law Application specialist Lawyer (both hired by Pickerel Lake and Haines) showed that maybe the center was being operated within the zoning because of several changes and legal points were made.

    So Mr muskokarecovery, gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn, dontdoit and any others it is only “ALLEGED” at this time until an “ONTARIO COURT” has ruled and an “ORDER” is officially given!!

    Now who was saying someone should be arrested for being an idiot??

  45. MuskokaFine says:

    We wanted to also respond to an earlier post by the Admin and this website……Pickerel Lake Recovery has an intake contract with those paying for treatment which states that within the first 2 weeks should someone not like the treatment program or facility that a “pro rated refund” will be issued upon their request or the request of the individual(s) that paid for the treatment.
    We also invite family and loved ones as well as those well enough considering treatment with us to first tour the facility and see first hand as well as request any further information and referrals from previous clients if desired.

    We would like to comment that there are those that have been discharged/kicked out or asked to leave for rule violation or behavior unacceptable (after at least 10 days of treatment) and no refund is provided as there must be consequences with anything surrounding addiction and specially when they affect others in our facility that are actually following and succeeding in their program as we hold everyone in high regard and value those trying to recover and their programs they are working.

    All of our non-refund policies and other intake and discharge information is contained on our website so it is no surprise as well all concerned sign a contract containing all the above upon intake.

    We hope this helped

    Thank you

  46. johnnylovesyoualot says:

    Armourtownship sent you a letter telling you to Cease and Desist all Operations Immediately at Pickerel Lake Rehab as you were in Breach of their Zoning Laws. Further, you were told that if you did Not Stop, as far as the Town is concerned, your Illegal Rehab Operation, you will be taken to Court.

    You did not listen, ignored and dismissed the letter and kept your illegal operation going. So, the Town had no choice but to Take Your To Court. The reason the Town is Taking You to Court is not because you are in Compliance, but because as far as the Town is concerned, you are OPERATING ILLEGALLY per zoning laws. Got it now Moron!

    Why are Zoning Laws Important??? Well, this is to make sure there is sufficient safety mechanisms in place to protect the occupants, ‘your clients’ building, surrounding areas, neighbours, etc…, We see this all the time with Fire detectors, zoning laws. People are dying all the time because Landlords are not doing what it required of them.

    This part is for the Town, Fire department, Insurance and Mortgage Company of Pickerel Lake Recovery/Muskoka Recovery Center. A former
    Client spoke about this in one of the posts on this site.

    Last winter the power went out for several days at John Rehab Center, Pickerel Lake Recovery. So, John gathered up all his ‘clients’ and they were at the main office where they had a Nice Big Fire Going where everybody is Nice and Warm. Good to be warm when it’s freezing outside.

    The Problem, that Fire Place that was used, was ‘Deemed to be Unfit.’ John was told weeks before to Seat it Up! Well, that did not happen.
    My concern, you have an Unfit Fire Place Blazing Away? Oh, Yes, I understand there are some pictures floating around of this Fire Place.

    Some clients wanted money back for the days they were ‘Freezing to Death.’ But guess, what, John Haines would have no of that. No Money Back. Too Bad for you. What your refund policy again?

    For those of you who did not get your money back when you asked, you need to call the Town and the Fire Department and request an Investigation into the Power Outage and how it was handled by Haines. Not being a Lawyer, I would still tell you, I believe there is sufficient grounds for by-law (Fire Department) charges to be laid, re: unfit/unsafe fire place being used. So you place your clients in Harms Way by using a Fire Place that you Knew was ‘Deemed to be Unfit/Unsafe? That sounds about right eh John?

    Again, why do we have Zoning Laws??? So this kind of thing does not happen. Oh, don’t worry, John Haines was Nice and Warm. I understand he had a Generator in His Cabin!

  47. muskokarecovery says:

    http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/launch.aspx?referral=other&pnum=&refresh=f06JDg181X7a&EID=ec75cce3-ac48-47bf-96e2-4257a61def68&skip=

    Okay, I guess the Newspaper is Lying also. Clearly States:

    “Your change to use as a treatment center does not legally comply with the Armourtownship Zoning Bylaw or official plan and this use must Cease Immediatey

  48. MuskokaFine says:

    OK first of all Johnnylovesyoualot we wont dignify you on your first part with another response but rather tell everyone we answered that in our previous post…….guess you didnt check what we said to do as far as true legal terms……oh well maybe you arent the sharpest tool in the shed!
    As far as your 2nd part, there was never an unfit fireplace used and in fact 2 months after that power outage (which was a day and a half not several days) the fire department chief himself came out to bring us completely up to CODE(this can also be verified) as well as the health and safety codes were passed (again can also be verified).

    But now about that power outage…… Pickerel Lake Recovery Center is just in the middle of design and installation of a complete $80,000 power generator system which includes some 5 commercial diesel generators for any future p0wer outages to completely power the whole resort which includes some 8 buildings. that means no huddling around any fires in the winter guaranteed

    And for Muskokarecovery……yes even newpapers can be inaccurate sometimes and that quote which you forgot the ending quotation marks for was “their interpretation” of what was contained in the “LETTER” from the township…….guess just like Johnnylovesyoualot you didnt make any proper inquires.

  49. sincerthankyoufrommyheart says:

    Admin:

    To put this particular issue to rest, it might be a good idea for muskokafine to post the letter in it’s entirety for all to see. I read the newspaper online and it looked as if they were quoting the letter? Just a thought.

  50. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Test 1,2,3 is anybody there? Admin: It was asked that muskokafine post the letter to put this to rest. It appears they had decided not to because the “Letter” clearly states, Stop “Your ILLEGAL OPERATION.” By the way, as this is a Township matter and as mentioned before, because Tax Payer’s Money is being Used to Stop this Illegal Operation, to take John Haines to Court, you can request a copy of the “Letter” from the Town.

    But it was good to see that Pickerel Lake/Muskoka Lake Recovery and John Haines the Great Healer, were willing to post the “Letter” to put this to rest. Good to see John. NOT!!! Why is that?

    Another thing, Yes, you do need to call the Fire Department, the Town and let them know that a fire place that was already known to be “unsafe” was used during the Power Outage. Tell them you want an investigation into this because John Knowingly put people’s lives, his clients lives at risk by using a “unfit’ fire place.

    Someone asked earlier, Why do we have Zoning Laws?

  51. MuskokaFine says:

    Well it is truly sad that these same posters such as muskokarecovery, dontdoit, johnnylovesyoualot, caughtinyourownliesjohn etc…. many of them the same people that have nothing better to do than go online to this site and many others to post unfounded accusations and slader/defamatory comments day after day……TRULY SAD PEOPLE!!

    Well lets just see come December what happens and until then it will continue business as usual in spite of your feeble verbal attempts at trying to cause reputable harm……we are always many steps ahead of you and have professionals protecting marketing and business in order to continue saving lives and making further strides at becoming much bigger and better.

    We print these updates for John Haines and email to them so he can print them off and read them at his leisure and he wanted us to publish the following excerpt from his reply letter:

    “I sit her in the smallest room in my house(the bathroom in case you were wondering) with your comments BEFORE me…….. Soon the will be BEHIND ME!!”

    “Thank you to all concerned”

    “WE ARE INDEPENDENT OF THE OPINION OF OTHERS!!”

    • admin says:

      I guess we will take that as a “no” to simply publishing the letter on line. It is nice to see the level of professionalism that Mr. Haines takes to complaints from past staff or clients.

  52. MuskokaFine says:

    Admin

    One further comment to you……..Thank you for your professionalism when it was asked of you to follow your own “Blogging Policy” which you publish on this website as follows: (this is the 2nd time we pointed this out)

    Corporate Blogging Policy

    Agree not to post any material that is obscene, defamatory, profane, libelous, threatening, harassing, abusive, hateful or embarrassing to another person or any other person or entity.
    Agree not to post any material that is copyrighted unless (a) you are the copyright owner, (b) have the express, written permission of the copyright owner to post the copyrighted material on your blog, or (c) are reasonably sure that the use of any copyrighted material conforms to the doctrine of “fair use.”

    glad to see you follow your own rules…….very professional of you!!

    So Admin of the Canadian Drug Rehab Centres website……
    this is our official notice to you “yet again”
    remove our name from your website forthwith and all contained material pertaining to us either Pickerel Lake Recovery Center or Muskoka Recovery Center or the name John Haines

    • admin says:

      Your organization placed a listing on our site. We did not solicit you. We welcomed your information. Others have come on our site to comment about your listing. If you proceed further in the Blogging policy it states the following:

      “Acknowledge that any reliance on material, content and/or links posted by other parties will be at your own risk. You assume full legal responsibility and liability for all actions arising from your posts.”

      If they felt strong enough to place it, they are responsible if it is not true. We have given you ample opportunity to respond, and have posted all your responses. While I do not understand all the ins and outs of marketing and different sites and names you use representing your center on the internet, I fail to see how your comment:

      “We print these updates for John Haines and email to them so he can print them off and read them at his leisure and he wanted us to publish the following excerpt from his reply letter:

      “I sit her in the smallest room in my house(the bathroom in case you were wondering) with your comments BEFORE me…….. Soon the will be BEHIND ME!!”

      would lead to any resolution of the concerns brought up by these individuals. As always we thank you for you input.

      • MuskokaFine says:

        We placed a “listing” in good faith which was not on a site to be bashed like the above individuals have done.
        We did post responses on here to many of the concerns, criticism and complaints some of which were incorrect and lies………many of them are listed and posted as outright hatred towards Mr Haines, his associations and businesses.
        Perhaps you should warn people of companies looking to place a listing on your site that they may be subject to anyone making any type of slanderous remark towards them or their business and we want no part of this online smear of our company (illegal in canadian law) we find that by this website allowing a posting and outright remarks such as “Pickerel Lake is a Fraud”"HE’S NOTHING MORE THAN A CONMAN” and it goes on……but the resolve to any of the concerns on here (which we did address in some earlier posts such as all things that were changed to make Pickerel Lake that much better) will be better seen when we are still operating in the same place for years to come and continue worldwide expansion that is already underway.
        This will be our last post on this website and we will make a statement only in carrying on as BUSINESS AS USUAL……..SAVING LIVES!!!

        • admin says:

          You placed several listings on our site as you changed the name of your organization. A quick google search of Pickerel Lake Recovery or Muskoka Recovery shows hundreds if not thousands of listings you have placed around the internet. You have many PR releases posted. You have a highly skilled and well funded SEO team in place to accomplish this. So you are well aware of some of the negatives that may happen by doing this. There were a lot of negative comments on other sites about your organization long before they occurred on our site. With your marketing skill and talent we have no doubt you will be around and grow. It seemed on our site your explanations were confrontational and incited more postings rather than solving the issues. As we have said before, we like positive stories. We look forward to hearing positive outcomes for your’s and all the rehab centers helping people move past addiction. Good Luck and we hope you save a good many lives.

        • admin says:

          We also would like to point out that Pickerel Lake Recovery/ Muskoka Recovery is not the only rehab center struggling with zoning. It is difficult for any rehab center to get zoning and every wants help to be available for addicts, but nobody wants to have it in their back yard.

          Click here for a New Jersey Rehab’s struggle for zoning:

  53. muskokakarma says:

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

    It’s sad that there are people out there like John Haines who INTENTIONALLY TARGET the most Vulnerable in our society to Make Money. You can see this by the man’s postings online. He doesn’t care about his Clients.

    When you use a UNFIT FIRE PLACE and knowingly put your clients, your neighbours lives at risk, that tells me you don’t care, and that you are in it for the money. Yes, you All should be Enraged he did this!!! This includes the Town, the Fire Department, Clients, Neighbour of this Illegal Rehab Center…, Especially since there was and Still Is a Cease and Desist Order in Place. He ignored it and did what he wanted to do.

    So John, you don’t have anything to worry if this is not true. But you and I Know it’s True! Call the Fire Department and the Town and insist on an Investigation. This goes for all of the Neighbours of John Haines also. He could have burned the place down! Yes, when you use a UNSAFE/UNFIT Fire Place, this is what can happen.

    “Goes around, comes around.” Isn’t that one of your quotes John. Well, get ready, because it’s coming around John!!!

  54. pickerellakeresident2 says:

    Thank you for the information about the fire place. We will be speaking with the town about this matter.

  55. sexualassaultatpickerellake says:

    Lets start this off by stating some facts: A Male Nurse was caught at Pickerel Lake Recovery/Muskoka Recovery Center ” Inappropriately Touching” a ‘Client’ who was PASSED OUT in Detox. How did John and his Wife Linda respond to this – Well, They quietly let the ‘Sexual Predator’ go on his way, probably to Assault someone else, his next Rehab Victim.

    Did they call the Police as they are Duty Bound to do? Did they call the Police to protect their Client who they care so much about? NO, THEY DID NOT!!! They Covered Up a SEXUAL ASSAULT. The Police will find out when the Investigate if there was more than just ‘Touching’ an Unconscious Victim, or as John calls them, his Clients.

    John and Linda, You are both a F****** Pigs. You Covered Up a Sexual Assault. Wow!!! You let this happen to another Female Linda, just turned a Blind Eye? Are you proud of yourself? What was your Refund Policy with this Client John who was Sexually Assaulted when She was Passed Out?

    As for the Employees of Pickerel Lake Recovery/Muskoka Recovery Center who knew about this and Did Not Report it to the Police, You are just as Guilty! You too Covered Up a Sexual Assault.

    I will let John respond. Lots more information coming after John Haines responds to this. To the Employees of this Illegal Rehab Center, probably a really good idea to get on the Phone and speak with the Police like maybe NOW.

    What, you think John is going to lie for all of you. It is a Criminal Offense Not to Report a Crime that you knew about. In this case the Crime was a Sexual Assault on an Unconscious Female Victim at Your Illegal Rehab Center, and You All Knew About it. I’m waiting John….,

  56. muskokakarma says:

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil (Conmen like John Haines ) is that good men ( the rest of us ) do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

    I hope this guy is finally going to Jail (again). He has caused too many heartaches, ripped off too many people, now doesn’t report a sexual assault as well. What else is going on John at your illegal recovery center. Oh, don’t worry, takes time but we will get to the bottom of this. I promise John!

  57. The Jig is Up says:

    Alright, I will say it: “I TOLD YOU SO” John Haines is a Conman, a Fraud Artist, and now we find out he Covered Up a Sexual Assault. He is a Criminal!

    MuskokaFine says:( John Haines says)
    September 6, 2012 at 10:58 am
    Admin

    One further comment to you……..Thank you for your professionalism when it was asked of you to follow your own “Blogging Policy” which you publish on this website as follows: (this is the 2nd time we pointed this out)
    —————————————————————————————–
    John, you have the nerve to come on to this and many other sites arguing about “Bloging Policy” because people have been telling the truth about you for years. You talk about Professionalism when you are breaching a Cease and Desist Order, Using an Unfit Fire Place and now we find out that you did not report a Sexual Assault that happened at Pickerel Lake Recovery to the Police. Bravo!

    Blogging Policies are the least of your problems right now John. You hid a Sexual Assault that happened to one of your “Clients.” Knowing this now, when I read over your blogs, I realize how Pathetic you are, what a True Conman You Are!

    You said something about ‘World Wide Expansion.” I think you should be figuring out what you are going to be saying to the Police and the Media. Hey, good luck to you.

  58. Shut This Place Down says:

    To: Armour Township Reeve & Councillors, why is this place still open? You are all aware of the things going on at Pickerel Lake Recovery. If there is a Law Suit in this matter, along with John Haines, are we as Tax Payers Liable in anyway because this Sexual Assault was not reported and happened in our Township?

    What is the Town doing about this man and this place? Are we going to have another Sexual Assault before the December Court Date? Maybe it’s already happened again?

    • admin says:

      I am not a lawyer, but I think unless the individual involved wishes to make a complaint, I do not think there is much that anyone else can do. Again if you have any evidence, if might be wise to contact the police.

  59. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20120928/GETPUBLISHED/209280310/Families-Get-Away-Together-Muskoka-Recovery-Center

    Please go to the above site. John Haines is suggesting a change of services at Muskoka Recovery Center/Pickerel Lake Recovery.

    Before I say anything else, They Are Still Operating Illegally. There is Still A Cease an Desist Order in Place. You have read the ‘Press Release” above where John Haines is LYING AGAIN ABOUT THE CEASE AND DESIST ORDER. THEY ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH ZONING, COURT DATE IS STILL DECEMBER. AND NOW…..,

    Yes. This is what they are trying to do. John, his Wife, his PR Lady Gail Smith from Newmarket are trying to tell the Town that Muskoka Recovery, Pickerel Lake Recovery Center will no longer have Doctors on Site or Dispense Medication on Site. This is to try to meet Zoning Laws before the December Court Date.

    But, that is Not the Truth, is it John. Are you Dispensing Medication at Pickerel Lake John???? The answer is Yes, John. People, please remember, you are dealing with a Conman, a Known Criminal and Liar who will Do Anything For Money!!!. This man Owes Lots of Money to Lots of People!!!

    And again, this place, John Haines, His Wife, Staff, Gail Smith did not report the Sexual Assault to the Police. In fact they let the Guy who Committed the Sexual Assault go and hid this altogether.

    A unreported Sexual Assault???? Don’t send you Daughter or any Loved One’s here unless you want them to get Sexually Assaulted!!!!
    To the Staff of Pickerel Lake Recovery/Muskoka Recovery Center, Let me guess, since the News about the Unreported Sexual Assault came out, John has told all of you about the fact that you all signed the Confidentiality Agreement when you started working for him. How did I know???

    Please understand something, That Agreement does apply to when you See or Hear about a Criminal Acts committed on the Property where you are working for John Haines. I know he tried to tell you that, but remember, he is a Conman trying to Protect only himself.

    Staff members who knew about any Criminal Acts committed at Pickerel Lake Recovery/Muskoka Recovery, including this Sexual Assault, and Many, Many of you did, Will Be Held Liable when Charges are Laid.

    It’s simple as that, so forget about any Confidentiality Agreement that you think you have with ‘the great healer’, John Haines. If you are Not sure, Call a Lawyer and after speaking with the Lawyer, then call the Police which is what the Lawyer will tell you to do!

    • admin says:

      I guess the earlier comments from Pickerel lake/ Muskoka Recovery about getting certified under C.A.R.F. and the Doctors specializing in addiction medicine, and the Master’s level counselors, has changed or no longer applies? It does say that “We will provide re-programming with the help of all our professionals ” in the latest press release. It is certainly very interesting to see all the twists and turns this project has taken. If a place essentially gives courses and has a spa type atmosphere…would that not fall into the zoning issues that would be acceptable for any motel hotel type complex?

  60. MuskokaFine says:

    OK

    One post to say that enough is certainly enough……the above culprit(s) postings by certain individuals is FALSE and CRIMINAL and YES we have gone the police….. the RCMP fraud dept of online activity and the OPP Burks Falls to investigate what these people posted because these types of posted accusations are ILLEGAL and we will be making sure that the police will be laying charges against all guilty parties!!
    THERE NEVER WAS ANY SEXUAL ASSAULT and these allegations are FALSE!!

    Admin how can you continue to allow people with pure Hatred, Jealousy, callus and malicious intentions to post such things??

    Pickerel Lake/Muskoka Recovery does now and always has been since earlier this year in compliance with zoning…..we have 2 other locations now in ontario that facilitate medical detox and fortified treatment.
    Our facility at Pickerel Lake DOES NOT dispense medication …..has no doctors or nurses just therapists, counselors, activity and resort personnel…..YES it was changed to include family and the addict reprogramming and “getaway” for those wanting a safe environment and to refresh their recovery.

    • admin says:

      So are you a drug rehab who is registering with C.A.R.F. with “healthcare personnel” who are specialists in addiction medicine as you told us before or not? Your organization has come on here and said many things. It is difficult to follow sometimes what you are saying and the changes in types of programs and names you have used. What does your facility do and what types of clients are you looking for? Are you an active treatment center? Are you only interested in people that have completed a program and are looking for a refresher? Are the zoning issues complete and resolved, or waiting for the next court date? I have commented that if any one had information on an assault, they should take that to the police. Really this all has been quite confusing to me….but maybe I am just stupid.

  61. MuskokaFine says:

    We will not dignify you or your website with any more answers on our business but rather let law enforcement and court orders speak for us. We will continue to help many others with our organization, facilities and its many professional staff.
    At this time allegations of impropriety by one person, or persons on this web site discussion forum have not been proven. Law Enforcement and legal parties will narrow the issues and/or the field of suspects with information provided from any source. Our people have been working around the regulatory issues in Canada and the U.S. and have now come up with many ideals on how to proceed and while its the authors of the work that are generally deemed responsible for defamation not the publishers, law enforcement has been instructed and will pursue a Court Order to compel the publishers of this site to block, remove and disclose the information including IP’s of the authors of these works and we will once and for all find out who these nameless cowards and criminals are and have them persecuted to the fullest!

    • admin says:

      We agree 100% with you that nothing has been proven and everything written here is people’s opinions or their interpretations of what they know as the facts. Just like you told us earlier, when you stated that Pickerel Lake Recovery was only “alleged” to be in violation of zoning, that it has to be proven in a court to be true. The same goes for the people who have posted on the site. You are “alleging” they have defamed you with falsehoods and misinterpretations. We obviously will comply with any legal authority.

      I simply was saying I was, and still am confused about what Pickerel Lake Recovery/ Muskoka Recovery is? Are you a drug rehab center? Should people with active issues with drugs and alcohol seek your organization out for help? Are you a sober resort with coaching? Are you all of the above?

  62. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Admin:

    Please call the Town and they will Tell You that John Haines is STILL OPERATING ILLEGALLY. Can I please say it…., John, liar, liar, pants on fire. YOU HID A SEXUAL ASSAULT at Pickerel lake John! Yeah, You the Man John!

    Takes you this long to come out and say there was no sexual assault. Well John, glad you went to the Police. You let the Guy who committed the Sexual Assault Go without Reporting Him?. Did you tell that to the Police? Don’t worry, I think they already know John. You did not report it to the Police! And as for dispensing medication, well, more on that later John….,

    I hope to God the Police are Monitoring this. I would be very happy to speak with them about this and other matters concerning Illegal Activities at Pickerel Lake Recovery, Muskoka Recovery Center.

  63. muskokakarma says:

    Admin, you are not Stupid. You have it Correct. You see, when you start telling lies, you forget what the truth is. This is John Haines problem. He has told so many lies that he doesn’t know what the truth is. The way to operate when dealing with John Haines is when you see his Mouth, Moving…., you know he’s lying!!! Right John?

    There is Still a Cease and Desist Order in place. This man has already Stalled One Court Date. Yes, I said Stalled and he will probably try to Stall Again because he knows what’s going to happen when they go to Court.

    Now the Public knows about the Unreported Sexual Assault, using a Unfit/Unsafe Fire Place, Ignoring a Cease and Desist Order….., Yeah, I would try to STALL MY COURT DATE TOO! John, it’s not going make any difference though!

    You have become a well known figure in the Rehab Business. Nobody in the business wants anything to do with you. You have become the Poster Boy of ‘What Not To Do in the Rehab Business.’ Hows it working for you John?

  64. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Admin:

    It’s been said before but I will say it again. It’s Not Slander if it’s True! Our Lawyer friend John Haines should Know this. Funny he didn’t mention it though. One of the main ‘ingredients’ in a defamation lawsuit is to prove falsehood, that the other side is Not telling the Truth about You. That’s the whole point of the “Defamation” Lawsuit.

    But the problem for John Haines, so far everything I see here, well, it’s True. John is a known Criminal, he has been charged for Drug Dealing, Impersonating a Lawyer, Money Laundering, Drinking and Driving Charges among Other Charges, eh John? I am asking John because I want to make sure that I am correct. I don’t want a Defamation Law Suit. And since I am correct, no Lawsuit right John?

    If I said he is a Conman am I Liable? Again, I don’t think so because it’s True. If I said he Owes Lots of Money to People because he doesn’t pay his bills, am I Liable? Again, I don’t think so, because it’s True. If I say he used an Unfit Fire Place at Pickerel Lake, am I Liable, No, I’m Not because It’s True!

    You get the idea. It’s it True, post it, tell everybody about it. If it’s not, then yes, you’re on your own. I have no worries John because you know EVERYTHING THING I HAVE SAID ON THIS SITE IS TRUE!!! So, yeah, have the Police drop by, I would love to speak with them.

    • admin says:

      I doubt you will recieve a reply from John. As Pickerel Lake Recovery has already said on this site, John pays people to read these comments….they print them out for him….he takes them to the washroom….and well I think you remember the rest. I do not understand why some one trying to build a reputation as one of the best treatment centers in Canada would say something like that. I do not know why they would say the zoning is complete…then not complete….then complete again. Really seems confusing to me. There are several rehabs in Canada and the US trying to get zoning and struggling with it. It will always be difficult with the NIMBY mentality of the world. Why not just keep people in the loop of where it is at?

  65. HardPressed says:

    I have seen this blog a few times and each and every time these same few idiots make all these accusations but never say who they are or how they know these things about this place or person for sure, it doesn’t take rocket science to see that you all have a personal vendetta against this place and this John, well I for one see right through it and hope you all get whats coming to you. I am rooting for this good guy.
    By the way won’t it be funny when it is found out who you are and you are proven to be telling lies, and I bet you and a couple of your cohorts would Sh*& your pants if the police showed up on your doorstep with a warrant for your arrest, I for one would love to see that.
    Go Mr Haines Go

    • admin says:

      Great to hear some positive feedback. Just so nobody will think you are an “idiot”, how do you know about the situation or this person? What can you tell us about Mr Haines or Pickerel Lake Recovery from your experience? We could really use a few “good guy” stories or facts. Thanks again!

  66. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    So just so everybody knows, and Everybody does John, HardPressed is John Haines. You are an Idiot John, I mean HardPressed! Have the Police spoken with you yet John about the Sexual Assault that you hid at Pickerel Lake Recovery? You know, the one where you let the Guy who Committed the Sexual Assault Go and did not Report him to the Police?

    The only person on this Earth who thinks John Haines is a good guy, is John Haines. I will say it again, you are not fooling anybody you are a known Criminal, a Known Drug Dealer, and also, a Known Idiot!!! I am waiting to be arrested. I have no problems speaking with the Police about you.

    I will say it again, if it true, it’s Not Slander and there is nothing you can do about it John! I’m sure the Police already told you that!

    • admin says:

      I do not know who “HardPressed” is. However, they use an email address “GarfinkleBidLaw@*****” I wont give the whole email address publically. So apparently they want us to think it is some sort of law firm. Curious thing though, the IP address is exactly the same as used by “Muskokafine”. So there is at least a reasonable chance these are the same person, or two different people using the same computer.

  67. Banix says:

    I have been looking into this for some time and am now going to post some information and to shed some true light on this situation.
    We see these bloggers like gettingcaught…. , muskokakarma, the jig is up, muskokarecovery, johnnyloves… etc quick to drop names of John Haines and others as well as business in Burk’s Falls, Well all these people are together and in touch I am sure and upon a deeper look and gathering of information I can report the following:
    All these people are connected to Sunil Ram owner/operator of Executive Security Services of Huntsville Ontario (More on this company later and some very recent links of complaint blogs on them) you see Sunil Ram and his company once did security for John Haines in Bala Ontario at Greenestone and then continued when John Haines moved operations after his purchase of Pickerel Lake Lodge Resort and was eventually fired by Mr Haines for his less than stellar services provided. Upon being fired Mr Haines also refused to pay the final invoice for Executive Security Services(hence why it is said on here that Mr. Haines owes a lot of people money when its in fact just him) due to the terrible service provided by his employees, those people are the authors of some of these other postings, Such as Liz Little of Huntsville Ontario and her Husband Tom…..Liz Little also provided cleaning services before opening Pickerel Lake Recovery to Mr Haines and his wife and over charged for this again less than stellar work. Liz Little brought several volunteer workers to work which was not part of any agreement of which she also had her husband Tom a part of but Mr Haines eventually paid their large bill for services rendered in full. Liz Little in providing security services would watch TV her whole shift and ask others to get involved to do her job as well as her Husband Tom who I have found out was the nicest and probably has no part in these blogs.
    The next would be another one of Sunil’s employees Bill VanDuzen who was found watching porn while at work on more than one occasion which was a big reason that there was a dispute between Mr Haines and Sunil’s company.
    Another jumping on the band wagon who got a job back with Greenestone and knows and met with Sunil Ram and his crew was Shane Bourque who himself has a criminal record longer than this blog and is a former employee of Mr Haines until he was fired and made many threats after to Mr Haines.
    Another is a former client named Leslie that was contacted by some of the aforementioned that also joined in on ruining Mr Haines and she threatened not only him personally but also Ms Smith over and over again on the phone leaving more that a dozen messages saying it would be in his best interest to comply with her demands
    Mr Sunil Ram might also have paid a couple other people to write nasty untrue blogs as he personally threatened Mr Haines “That he would ruin him in the media and online as well as with the Armour Township of which he attended and spoke out against Mr Haines and Pickerel Lake Recovery Center.
    We know for sure that Mr Sunil Ram called Mr Haines Mortgagee on the property to say many terrible things and then list their name online and their number and invited people to call the mortgage company and complain well Mr Haines has since paid them out and moved on with his own finances and will now focus on bringing all those mentioned to justice.
    So there you go just a little bit of light on who is who on here and what is truly going on.
    More to come including posting links of thos blogs against executive security services and its employees.

    • admin says:

      Wow! Thank you for your information

    • Liz says:

      Dear Admin
      This is my first time EVER to blog.I have had it with Mr. Haines saying it is me on here. I don’t care if he gets my ip address or not as this will prove I have never blogged on any sight of his. First of all Linda and John contacted me about a cleaning job at their new location of Pickeral lake. I agreed they said they needed it done and open in 10 days. When I got there I was suprised to see all the beds still made and everything in the units . So I asked friends who have all done cleaning as a living to help. With that I got certain people stating they could work only certain days. Some days it would be 2 or 3 then other days it was up to 12. It did not help that everytime we got rms done John and Linda would come from Toronto and use 1. which meant going back and redoing. All the linens had to be stript from the units and washed that is 14 units in all plus detox their staffing quarters their house dinning rm and meeting rms and fitness center. There were millions of live and dead flies in lg meeting hall which we had to go back over and over again. PLUS all the bathrooms to be done which had mold all over the stalls walls and porcelin. Linda kept adding to my duties everyday. They hired a contractor from Oshawa that knew NOTHING and came with no tools of any kind, had no idea about water systems in rural areas and asked 1 of my staff if she wanted to smoke a joint on occasion,which was spoken to Connie about.As it was Connie’s reccomendation for this contractor. It ended up we were asked to powerwash all the units fix steps help with the landscaping [cleaning up] and the list goes on.John told the contractor to seal the woodstoves in each unit and he did. Without checking them which it turns out that they were all dirty filled with burnt wood ,ashes and in 1 case a dead bird. So I asked my husband Tom to reopen them all. Again extra workfor all. We would get units done and then the rug shampooers would come in and they all needed matresses in them so again we waited for them to get them there before we could get beds done and then have to re vaccumm each and every unit. Has anyone ever cleaned without water. We carried 5 gallons pails of hot water for days to clean and dissenfect units because we had no water. But when all was said and done they were very happy. Although John took his sweet time paying the bill which had me driving at least every twoo wks for 1 hr there and 1hr back to collect small amounts .He took his sweet time paying for a job well done they said took us till April to collect final payement which was Toms and my money as we made sure everyone who I employed got there money before Christmas. And then I gave him another letter saying how much he owed us still and being frazzled by him and put off for such a long time made a mistake of $400.00 and he wrote the last check for that amount ,my mistake yes but any honest person would have said “Hey Liz you made amistake so I corrected it” NOT. As for security I never watched tv.I watched the screens Did my rounds as I was told to do. That’s it.
      I have a bunch of text messages from John on my phone asking me ‘how we can try and get along and forget all that has happened’ I never replied to that one because I was told thatI couldn’t have anymore contact with him from my security company.
      So this is my 1 and only response to John Haines. I have never written anything bad about pickeral lake recovery.
      Liz Little

      • admin says:

        Thank you for a clear reply. You have provided your name. You have provided lots of details about your situation and how it worked out for you working at his facility. I find your information quite credible and believable. Thanks again, for taking the time to come on here and respond.

  68. muskokakarma says:

    To Banix aka John Haines. As Admin said Wow! You do know a lot of stuff about Pickerel Lake Recovery. Just one question, What do you think about John Haines ( You know, You ) Not Reporting a Sexual Assault to the Police?

    So, just to understand, you are telling us there are people out there trying to as you said, ‘ruin’ you. They are doing this because…, you are a Upstanding Business Man, because you pay your bills, because you wouldn’t rip clients off, because you never never tell lies, because you have never been jailed for Drug Dealing, because you’re the kind of guy who would report a Sexual Assault?

    John, they are all Bastards! All these people on the different Complaint Boards who have been speaking out and about you for Many, Manys Years now must be wrong. I mean the ‘great healer john haines’ is the victim here. I understand now.

    That was a weird dream…., So to get back on track…, You hid a Sexual Assault, Used an Unfit Fire Place, Currently ignoring a Cease and Desist Order and then, you come on this, and many other sites and Lie About it. oh yeah…., some about dispensing medication?

    • admin says:

      Well, the email used for Banix was joebanixinvestigation@******. A quick google of “joe banix investigation” came up with nothing. At the end of the day, these people were hired by Mr. Haines and I guess he has to deal with the fall out of people or companies he chose. I am still not sure how these other people were responsible for the zoning issues and a cease and desist order. I seem to remember someone blaming that on a real estate agent along the way. But I could be wrong, as this just gets more confusing by the day. And who knows, maybe I am too stupid to follow this.

  69. MuskokaFine says:

    Yes admin maybe you are but then again maybe your not too
    anyways while everyone thinks its all John Haines maybe they should think that they who hate him or his business may actually be the minority and that people that are gracious don’t need to come on websites like this and explain how something worked for them.
    OK now with people hired we will soon find out more dirt on these others as just to answer the last muskokakarma post:
    - call the burks falls OPP and ask them what they think about any sexual assault at Pickerel Lake Recovery and report their answer on here – this was already confirmed to be false and a made up story to further defame the center
    - the fireplace issue – call the deputy fire chief of burks falls and ask him how his visit went 2 weeks ago and ask him for the result and if there was ever any use of any unfit fireplace – there is none
    - also check with the health dept while your at it who just came and passed the facility which included the clearance of “no medication dispensing” which ceased at Pickerel lake over the summer as we are a total drug free facility.
    - cease and desist order or what it really is an application before the court – we will report back in December

    any other unfounded allegations??

    Admin – anything else you would like us to clarify??

    oh and by the way admin IP’s and emails are all through your proxy site in scottsdale arizona I think so that they remain anonymous – proxy site = hide my ip???

  70. mm1969 says:

    I was at Pickerel Lake this past year January and February and saw or experienced none of what is alleged on this site. I am still clean and sober and attend aftercare and I for one would stand up against any of these people on here and call them liars. I can also tell you I was there during a 36 hr power outage and at no time was an illegal fireplace used and never heard of any sexual assault and am appalled to hear someone stoop so low to make up such a story.
    I am clean and sober today and because of what treatment I received at Pickerel Lake is the reason I am clean today.
    I will be speaking to other former patients I am still in contact with that attended the same time I did and tell them to come on here if they feel compelled.

  71. mm1969 says:

    Thank you admin
    I just read one of the above posts again and remember the security guards at night and this one name Bill I think was the same one that showed some of us clients his pot plants in pictures on his phone
    How appalling is that? And then finding out now he was a porn addict well maybe he should seek treatment himself for pot and porn
    Hope this Executive Security Services company changed their hiring policies

    Wishing everyone another day of sobriety

    • admin says:

      Perhaps Mr. Haines should have done better due diligence on firms he hired and monitored these companies adequately when they have such personal contact with the clients. Just like you I am appalled Mr. Haines would let that go on inside his facility. Thanks for the heads up!

  72. badmannerss says:

    no treatment centre is perfect, and most take some time to get running properly. the owner can only do so much with the staff that he is has hired, and in most cases he is working with a really good team. everyone on here seems to be consumed with money, hate and peoples past, but how much money is your life, your loved ones life worth? i personally do not enjoy the politics aspect of anything, however the program provided there(at pickeral lake) saved my life and has given me the tools and knowledge i need to maintain sobriety. it should not be about money, it should be about getting and wanting a real life, one that does is not consumed with the use of or finding drugs or alcohol. i miss my pickeral lake family very much and which everyone another 24. xo

  73. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    I think this Re-Post sums up what many of us who know John and have had dealing with him are trying to get across. I couldn’t have said it better. And Yes, I agree, The workers who do this with their ‘heart and soul’ are also the Victims here. They get involved with Haines and by the time they figure out what’s going on, they are either fired, or quit.

    http://www.complaintboard.com/john-haines-pickerel-lake-rehab-and-how-it-works-recovery-l11973/page/3

    Aug 25, 2012 truthsays

    I find these discussions amazing. First, for those claiming to be current staff, when did you start? Because from day one John fires all QUALIFIED staff who voice concerns for the way things were run. Anyone who truly cares for the well being of the clients and the lack of any real consistent structure has quit, been fired, quit or given ultimatums.

    Second, clients beware…. John and his staff will tell you that you are not ready to go home yet. Although this may be true for a few, mostly this is said to suck more money out of your parents or loved ones.

    Thirdly. John is not in this to help people. He is a money man and the only thing that matters is the almighty dollar.The only reason for any of the success of the clients is that there have been professionally educated and trained counsellors who love their field and truly want to help…and the hard work and commitment to recovery of those clients.

    But again…truly qualified counsellors have been replaced time and again with ex clients, active addicts and newly educated professionals with no experience to speak of. Am I a disgruntled ex employee…no, a former or current client…no, who I am is someone lucky to no longer be working for a facility that could damage my career simply by it’s association to John and his unprofessional ways….I did love the facility and if not in John’s uncaring and incapable hands this place could be an amazing place to recover and find the path

  74. muskokakarma says:

    Admin: I am going to put this out there and people can make their own minds up about this John Haines character. This shows how desperate this man is.

    Admin, You had stated that one of the email address used by ( John Haines ) on this site is GarfinkleBidLaw@*****” . A Couple of things: No such Legal Firm exists. . http://www.garfinklebiderman.com is the Law Firm John Haines deals with. One of the lawyers he deals with is: Jordan Druxerman. http://www.garfinklebiderman.com/Our-People/People/Jordan-Druxerman.aspx

    If you go to the website, you will notice that the Law Firms Email address all end with: @garfinkle.com. What I am saying is that you were correct when you said John wanted you to think he is from a lawyers office, GarfinkleBidLaw@*****

    Notice any similities? So what I am saying is that he essentially was/is ‘impersonating’ a Lawyer again. Ripping off his own Lawyers Firms Name. If Jordan Druxerman, John Haines Lawyer or the Legal Firm itself found out what John is doing, I wonder what he/they would have to say? Can’t break those old habits eh John

  75. MuskokaFine says:

    Thats for that insight about our law firm Liz Little or Sunil Ram or any other employee of Executive Security Services. They never say who they are just claim they know certain things that upon further investigation are all false.
    As for being appalled Admin at Mr. Haines for allowing that to go on (the Executive Security Services Guard actions that you commented on) we and another person on here told you that was the reason as well as others he fired this company and their people. So how about being appalled at the owner of the business like Sunil Ram not John Haines.
    So Liz or Sunil or whichever you are why not call our lawyers and report what you are alleging, or maybe you are affraid at what you might find out they already know about all of you.

    I hear there is soon more to report on these people who continue their slanderous postings, but we will wait and see.

    Oh and by the way its people that stand beside Mr Haines that post on here as he has much better things to do that to come on here so he pays people like me to take care of it, just like Mr Ram and his group of followers.

  76. muskokakarma says:

    This is what happens when you tell too many lies. You forget which ones you told. John/badmannnersss, you already used this ‘Reference’ letter a few weeks ago on another site. I do see the changes to letter you posted on this site. Here, let me remind you.

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/pickerel-lake-lodge-recovery-burks-falls-ontario-c566862.html?page=5

    19th of Sep, 2012 by badmannnersss

    no treatment centre is perfect, and most take some time to get running properly. the owner can only do so much with the staff that he is has hired, and in most cases he is working with a really good team.

    everyone on here seems to be consumed with money, but how much money is your life, your loved ones life worth? i personally did not enjoy the politics aspect of the centre, however the program provided there saved my life. and has given me the tools and knowledge i need to maintain sobriety.

    it should not be about money, it should be about getting and wanting a real life, one that does is not consumed with the use of or finding drugs or alcohol. i miss my pickeral lake family very much and which everyone another 24. xo

  77. MuskokaFine says:

    Admin

    Thanks for your legal information of which it did clearly say “Defamation can be a crime under the Criminal Code, but only rarely.”
    We are OK with rarely
    but under the Canadian criminal code you might want to look up something like as follows:

    Criminal defamation

    Defamation as a tort does not infringe the freedom of expression guarantee under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, according to the Nova Scotia Supreme Court in Coates v. The Citizen (1988), 44 C.C.L.T. 286 (N.S.S.C.). Defamatory libel is equally valid as a criminal offence under the Criminal Code, according to the Supreme Court of Canada in R. v. Lucas

    just saying but then again maybe Sunil or Liz aka Muskokakarma and the others may want to check for themselves

    Muskokakarma the same person you quoted above also sent us a copy and many more will be posting on here their positive experiences and also maybe air more of your dirty little secrets, like stealing a golf cart from Pickerel Liz

    • admin says:

      It is always interesting to hear from you as you keep us up to date with the goings on at Pickerel Lake/ Muskoka Recovery. Hope it all works out for you and your clients in the end. Thanks

    • admin says:

      A while ago you told us you would be registered with C.A.R.F. and following their guidelines. Have you registered with them? Have you booked your first inspection? C.A.R.F. is certainly one of the most difficult and labor intensive accreditation’s most drug rehabs can seek. Only one or two drug rehab centers in Ontario are actually accredited with them. Are you still continuing with that? It would certainly speak volumes about your intentions to become one of the province’s elite drug and alcohol rehabs if you were.

  78. MuskokaFine says:

    Yes we have started the procedure and will post as soon as we have become fully registered with C.A.R.F.
    Please note as you indicated that the C.A.R.F. registration can be a year long process.

  79. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    John, it doesn’t matter what you say, everybody knows that when your lips are moving…, well, you’re a well known Liar John. End of Story! You come on this site and get caught Again posting FAKE REFERENCE LETTERS. John, John, John…, Shame on You!

    You wanted to ‘educate’ Admin about Canadian Laws, well You Know it’s a Criminal Offence to Impersonate a Detective or a Lawyer in Canada. A Crime Punishable by Jail Time there Joe Investigator and Mr. GarfinkleBidLaw.

    Do the Legal Partners of http://www.garfinklebiderman.com/ know you Ripped Off their Law Firms Name? That was pretty stupid! Look kind of funny when your own Law Firm Sue’s you for Copyright Infractions.

    As far as getting registered with various groups, well, Admin, don’t hold your breath about anything this character is saying. How is the $80,000 dollar Generator coming along? Is it ready for inspection? Don’t want to use the Illegal Unfit/Unsafe Fire Place again!

    Also, you said to call the Fire Chief and the Health Department. Can you post the name and telephone number of the Person(s) we need to contact please? You were also asked by Admin and others a while ago to post the “letter” from the Town where they tell you to “CEASE AND DESIST ALL OPERATIONS IMMEDIATELY.” We are still waiting John. Please Post it!

    John, you know it’s not like people starting having problems with you overnight. Read the stuff out there that has been out their for Years. Yes, it appears that you have been Conning/Scamming People for Years. Now John, I’m not saying this (actually, I am saying it) just read All of the Blogs out there.

    Google the words: John Haines, Criminal Drug Dealer, Pickerel Lake Recovery, Muskoka Recovery Center, Sexual Assault, Impersonating a Lawyer, Drinking and Driving, Money Laundering… I’ve left a few of the the Other Charges Out for now John.

    Having said all the above, John get your shit together, pay your bills, stop telling lies, and report the Sexual Assault. When you do all the above, I bet you will feel a lot better about yourself!

    You advertise that your Rehab Center offers Spiritual Counseling. You had posted on another site something about you being a ‘Born Again Christian.’ You think maybe it’s time for you to Book a Session or Two with the Minsiter? Good Luck Mr. Haines!

    • admin says:

      I have to admit there are a lot of things you have said that are hard to argue with. It is the reason I asked about C.A.R.F. again. Getting a C.A.R.F. accreditation is difficult, long and expensive. It is also about transparency. The manuals they provide are clear about the steps. Some one who is actually registered and has booked some inspection dates will have no difficulty showing the progress. The client bill of rights, the grievance process, the client committees structure and make up could all be posted on line as they are accomplished. If they are actually pursuing it, clear proof will be readily there. And by showing it, they will be demonstrating they care for their clients and are moving to become an elite and fair rehab. If they have no intention of getting a accreditation in C.A.R.F., it will be apparent as well very quickly.

      The accreditation is the culmination of a years plus work. The registration and progress of the process can be shown today. So I guess we will see. Even the receipt of the purchase on the manuals would show they had started the groundwork.

    • admin says:

      One other thing. I am putting a series of blogs together on the 10 biggest mistakes in picking a drug rehab center. Because of your own personal experience and passion in this area, I would be very grateful if you would read them as they are produced and add anything you feel would help clients and families faced with this difficult choice.

      Ten Biggest Mistakes in Picking a Drug Rehab Center:

      Number One:
      Number Two:
      Number Three:

  80. MuskokaFine says:

    OK Gettingcaughtin……. aka Liz Little employee of Sunil Ram and Executive Security Services or Bill VanDuzen or one of Sunil’s employees…..anyways all the same people who soon will all be standing in front of Judge one way or another…….Time for a couple lessons……John Haines was never convicted of money laundering(called laundering the proceeds), impersonating a lawyer(check your criminal code), etc
    By authority and listed by John himself on one or 2 of those other ridiculous blogs his criminal past which is well dated included, assault x many, Possession for the purpose, possession, impaired driving, obstruct, mischief etc but no laundering or impersonation

    again for the rocket scientist you are or claim to be …..its not a criminal offense to impersonate yourself as a lawyer but is an offense under the law society act(which is not punishable by jail!!) which mr Haines dealt with as being unlicensed lawyer(holding out to be legal counsel) with a fine many years ago

    As for Garfinkle Bidderman give them a call and tell them what you claim and see what answer you get.

    There was no sexual assault to report but is yours and others of Sunil Ram and Liz Little circus of people’s attempt to defame and make up ridiculous stories to make someone out to be something they are not…..see definition of Defame and slander…….AND it is SLANDER and DEFAMATION if its UNTRUE

    SO PROVE IT caughtinyourownlies and the others……but its ok we are many steps ahead of you and will have you all in court sooner or later and we will come on here and other sites to post it

    As for the other sites and complaints and allegations that started in 2010 were by the many sick people in and out of addiction that feel compelled themselves to try to defame or deflect and we have always managed to rise above.

    As for your allegations further……we said the only bill not paid was to Sunil Ram for his company Executive Security Services……no others…..let them come on here and say who hasnt been paid!!…..even you Liz Little can say your overinflated $15,000 cleaning bill was paid!!

    Names posted just for you smarta$$ and so others can check:

    Health & Safety Canada- North Bay Parry Sound District Health that just thoroughly passed Pickerel Lake through and through from kitchen right through to pools and recreation facilities is – Shauna Riley

    Fire code approval and fireplan is – Deputy Firechief of Burks Falls John Stark

    Anything else??

    Oh ya you all might want to check yourselves spiritually as what you are doing you can be forgiven!!

    BTW John says hi!!

    • admin says:

      I understand there are many “sick” people in and out of addiction. I am confused by your anger and often borderline insulting comments in response to things posted. I would think a quality drug and alcohol rehab program would know how to respond to and cope with “sick people in and out of addiction”. That is why I always talk about touring a drug rehab facility and talking to clients presently in the program. When a client “has a meltdown” in your center, don’t you have better responses than blame and rudeness?

  81. muskokakarma says:

    Couple of things as we have found out with the John Haines situation. Some Other things People need to do BEFORE you sign on the dotted line.

    1) Call the Town that the Rehab Center is located in and ask about the Center. Is there any ongoing issues such as a Cease and Desist, Zoning Issues. What does the Town think of the Center, staff, and the Owner?

    2) Doesn’t hurt to speak with the Police and Fire and local Health Unit in the Town and see if they have any insight. They will Know!

    3) Speak with the Local Better Business organization. Ask if there has been any complaints? Would they recommend this Center?

    4) When searching the internet for information about your future rehab center, enter the name of the Owner in the Search Engine as this may produce a much different results in your search efforts.

    5) The obvious stuff; Visit the Center, Get “REAL” References, etc…,

    Just a few thoughts to share.

    • admin says:

      I had never though of your number 4 question before…. but it certainly makes sense….and if it owned by another company….do a search on the other company….thanks!

  82. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    John, Once Again, please Post the “Letter” from the Town, you know the Letter that you say is not a Cease and Desist Letter. Also you were asked to post the phone numbers for Fire Chief and Health Canada? Come on, be a Pal.

    You sure do have a lot of Criminal Charges John! Thanks for confirming them but you and I know you left some charges out! Also, just to let you know, I think the Partners of http://www.garfinklebiderman.com may have other thoughts about you ripping off their Law Firms Name.

    Were you pretending to be One of Their Lawyers by using that email address, GarfinkleBidLaw? Was that the point because if it was, I believe that would be considered as ‘Holding Out, Impersonating a Lawyer.”

    By your reply John, I see you have No Desire to Change and become a Better Human Being and not be the Conman that you currently are. That means those of us who really don’t have a “Horse’ in this Race, EXCEPT, UNLIKE YOU, WE Care about Vulnerable people, the helpless in our Society getting Ripped Off by PEOPLE LIKE YOU! We will have to keep an eye on You. Just like we are doing now!

    You have been a Conman for years and it is unfortunate, but you have made it Clear to Everybody who reads the blogs on this site that you will always be a Conman, a Rip Off Artist. This is why Website like This One is Very Important. Thanks again Admin. I really believe that This Site has Saved A Lot of People from the likes of the Scam Artists, John Haines, Pickerel Lake Recovery/Muskoka Recovery Center!

    So how many Rehab Center’s have you gone through? You yourself must sit in that “Little Room” of your’s and wonder how you became such an Asshole, such a Scam Artist.! I hope you go and see your Spiritual Counsellor at your Illegal Rehab Center. I think it will do you some good!

    23rd of Nov, 2011 by Toystory4

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/pickerel-lake-lodge-recovery-burks-falls-ontario-c566862.html

    Repost from the above Site:. To read the whole post, go to the above website. Re: John Haines/Born Again

    His story goes, “pro football player who battled addiction and then cleaned up and became a born again catholic. Went to law school, became a lawyer but his calling was to help other addicts, so he left law for the rehab business. Since his business has been so successful he needs to expand to all these different locations.” The last part was a Joke!

    Oh I see. You went to Law School but never finished. This is why you were charged with Impersonating a Lawyer. You never finished but ‘Pretended” to be a Lawyer. Interesting, this is same thing that you are still doing now -www.garfinklebiderman.com – If you want to be a Lawyer so bad, go back to Law School John!

    Again, anyone can do their Own Research about you and your many, many Rehab Centes. Just Google the words: John Haines, Criminal Drug Dealer, Pickerel Lake Recovery, Muskoka Recovery Center, Sexual Assault, Impersonating a Lawyer, Drinking and Driving, Money Laundering…,

  83. MuskokaFine says:

    Anger and Borderline Insults in response to whats posted???!!!, Can’t believe you just said that!!… how do you respond to a blog that allowed to put such unfounded filth on their site and to allow people like those that posted that very filth that paints someone with a very dirty brush, well we are sorry we aren’t more diplomatic about it but will try from here on in.
    Here I just thought of something……..thank you for all the nice remarks and comments.

    anyways we will endevour to keep people in the truth and not have us slashed about these pages with filth and lies.

    • admin says:

      Why don’t you respond with calmness and simply show you speak the truth. A registration to C.A.R.F. would have been very simple to show. Showing the zoning was complete when you said it was, would have been very simple to do. Coming on this blog as 4 or 5 different characters all speaking for Pickerel Lake but first pretending to be different, then telling us it was for your lawyer, is supposed to make you look truthful…how? What could you possibly gain by telling us John Haines wipes his ass with complaints? Constantly telling people they are going to be arrested, when that is only for the police to decide looks vindictive and child like. That is going to make your organization look like a place to send a loved one and spend 1000′s of dollars with? Coming on here a blaming people and companies you hired, for your troubles, makes your drug rehab center look competent….how? I stand behind letting people post what to them is their truth. I stand behind your right to come on here and call it filth, if that makes you feel better. I still fail to see how your responses on this blog show us a skill set of being able to handle clients who are sick,angry and addicted, which is your chosen profession.

  84. MuskokaFine says:

    Hey Admin while you sit there in front of your computer and join these sick individuals it shows us the very same finger you point with is failing to see the 3 pointed back.
    “you back postings of what people believe to be their truth”?? when you have been shown its lies??
    when we have these very people arrested or sued in court we will come here and post it for you as well when zoning is decided we will post proof for you

    tell these people to post their proof Admin…..and then Post for us their IP and their email please
    yes please do one thing and I know it will prove many if not all these posting are from the same group of people all using different names
    but yet you accuse us of being the same people posting as others when its not…..you are quick to break confidentiality by posting people’s IP’s and emails on your blog……do you yourself not know that is illegal admin? (yes you even said yourself with a proper court order or legal direction is the only way you would do this so please show us the court order or legal direction) …….yes everyone we get looking at treatment come on here first to check – really no they dont.

    Please see the following US articles about websites like this http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444223104578036283056415110.html
    and
    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-shut-down-blog-for-a-year-on-false-pretenses/
    and finally where we will get a judgement against a site owner like you
    http://www.reputationdefenseonline.com/case-studies/enforcement/

    Come on Admin tell these people to post their proofs to back their allegations …..and then Post for us their IP and their email please
    yes please do one thing that we know will prove many if not all these postings are from the same group of people all using different names (except their own and are too coward to post their real name)

    so yes we that come on here all work for same organization or were hired to come on here but are not the same person

    we will also continue to be busy saving lives ……. YES while these people you allow to post on here and they also post on other sites like the complaints board and reviewtalks think they are shutting us down well they ARE NOT we are still very busy and will continue to do good works but also in the mean time some others in our organization who stand beside Mr Haines and his vision (we dont judge him by his past) will see true justice and expose everyone of these poor souls that have nothing better to do with their time.

    I think in our haste in posting many times we have effectively answered to all allegations posted on here and they are all verifiable.

    BUT Admin we will take your advice and try to remain calm when we post on your blog in our DEFENSE from now on.

    • admin says:

      I back the “right” of people to post what they believe to be true. I did not say it is true. I back the right for you to say what you believe to be true. I posted only the front half of some of the email addresses you have given us. They were incomplete and no one could contact you with them. I stated that Mukokafine and Hardpressed were the same person or at least from the same computer. You then challenged me that I had a “proxy site” and did not know your IP address. I provided it to prove to you that I did and I knew the connection between Muskokafine and Hardpressed. You could come on here and tell us about all the great things about your program. You could come on here and tell everyone about the exact credentials and experience of your staff and how amazing they are at their job. I have no desire to shut you or anyone else down. Scroll back to the beginning of these postings and read my first comment. I asked people for details. You have a platform here to show how good your organization is. You can show patience and understanding. You can show a willingness to be transparent. You can show us how great at communicating Pickerel Lake/ Muskoka Recovery is. Instead you tell us about the lousy real estate guy. The bad security. The poor cleaning staff. The theft of your golf cart. Your powerful lawyers. Your investigator. I am not pointing a finger at you. I have asked you questions based on what you have said in your own posts. Really at the end of the day… it seems like you are going to sue or have arrested everybody….. Maybe at least your lawyer will be happy, cause it sounds like he will be a very busy man. This platform is still open to you. If some past clients are unhappy with you… rise above it and show us how Pickerel Lake handles tough people. Or not… I wish you well and hope you are helping many many people move past addiction.

  85. MuskokaFine says:

    Admin “it is what it is”

    One final note to end off

    The most fortunate of us, in our journey through life, frequently meet with calamities and misfortunes which may greatly afflict some of us but not at Pickerel Lake or our organization; and, to fortify our minds against the attacks of these calamities and misfortunes, should be one of miniscule essence in the big picture of our lives.
    Having said that the only method of doing this is to assume a perfect resignation to the Divine will, to consider that whatever does happen, must happen; and that by our uneasiness, we cannot prevent the blow before it does fall, but we may add to its force after it has fallen. These considerations, and others such as these, may enable us in some measure to surmount the difficulties thrown in our way; to bear up with a tolerable degree of patience under this burthen of life; and to proceed with a pious and unshaken resignation, till we arrive at our journey’s end, when we may deliver up our trust into the hands of him who gave it, and receive such reward as to him shall seem proportioned to our merit. Such, will be the language of the man who considers his situation in this life, and such should be the language of every man who would wish to render that situation as easy as the nature of it will admit. Few things will disturb him at all: nothing will disturb him much.
    TJ

  86. SmokeOxy80s says:

    Before you read this, know that I am CLEAN for over half a year. I am not a former employee thats mad, or someone that failed pickerel lake program or whatever the latest name change is to.

    This guy allegedly allowed his male nurses to go in and touch female patients while they are nodding out on his beloved suboxine drug. Its the next methadone, kids are already getting their hands on the tablets in the streets. From what I hear the nurse was busted while starting to put his hands down her pant at front. From what it sounds like the police were not notified and the guy wasn’t even fired. There is video recording in every room so there is no reason he couldn’t have gone to the cops after or even now.
    So when we went in we asked about all of these allegations about sexual assault, tax problems, and lawsuits. John Haines assured us the allegations were false and that the people posting it on the internet were just mad former clients. We soon found found out the problems would happen to us too. Dont let him assure you that you are different, or “it wont happen to you”, or “they are lies”.
    There used to be wal mart trips to the town to get treats and food for clients. Then a client somehow met his drug dealer there and purchased some oxycontin. Because of this one guys move the wal mart trips were cancelled and theer was no way to get food, snacks or treats. The actions of one person should not effect the care and activities of the whole.
    The manager when I was there his name was scott. He was the MANAGER and he was clean for a very short time. I have learned that he has since started drinking again and relapsed back. He was a very sly gentleman, you could tell in his eyes he was up to no good.
    Most of the employees are former junkies. Nothing is wrong with that, its actually good so they can relate. The problem is that some of them are only a few months clean. Some are just half a year clean. Some of the tratment lengths are half that length so some of them might have been out of their own rehab for three months.
    The nurse named “MILES” (male) is not a good nurse. He will not even give you a HALLS for a sore throat and cough. He thinks you are trying to get high on a halls?? I think the most active ingredient in halls is eucalyptus oil??? I understand not handing out tylenol and such but halls or ricola??? He also SWORE at some of us. He didnt believe us when we didnt feel good and felt like laying in our rooms and not going to activities. The one time he did let me not go to a activity. I had to walk back to the nurse station (10 minute walk) every hour. How am I supposed to rest and get better when im walking OUTSIDE to get to th other building all the time to get your validation that I am sick?? I dont feel good, who are you to tell me I dont.
    There was a running joke while I was there that the place was “shutter island” because of how far north it was. The sad thing is that’s not far from the truth. Whenever I complained about one of the other employees about a legitimate concern about something they would sweep it under the rug and worm their way out to protect their fellow employee. I didn’t think it was appropriate that I walk 10 minutes every hour outside while I was sick to get validated. I told someone else and was basically told that they think I was faking sick that day. How did they know? That person wasn’t even working that day. You basically have to be emotionless there. If you get upset over something legitimate they claim you are having a “tantrum”. If you don’t agree with an activity they are doing and don’t want to do yoga they say “ you aren’t doing enough for your recovery”. Well I don’t do yoga. The people that want to get along basically are zombies. And that’s how they try to get you by prescribing almost everyone a healthy dose of seraquil as soon as you are admitted.
    When I was admitted we were told there would be fishing and boat use. That never happened despite four repeated requests. Another one of John Haines lies.
    Months and months later there has been no follow up from the facility to check on me.
    The pictures of employees have been taken down because it’s a revolving door and they couldn’t keep up.
    I’ll post some more later.

  87. dallas80 says:

    I was at Pickerel Lake for 60 days In march and April and graduated in may and am now 7 months + clean
    I can’t believe that first this person above who is clean they say 6 months would use a name like SmokeOxy80 as I am a recovered opiate addict and in my recovery would never use anything like that and well besides that the post above has got to be a lie, I owe my life to this place and the great staff. There was never any sexual assault I ever heard of by any male nurse and it was Myles that was there and he was a strict nurse not allowing just anyone to get anything
    We were addicts and would drug seek every chance we got and things had to be done that was I assume due to strict guidelines.
    I also was on the walmart trip and when one person violated the policy I understood that they decided to no more outings at all not just because of that guy but for all of our safety as I could have scored some of his drugs and while I didn’t I am glad it was found and taken.
    I was there with lots of complainers but they failed to see that we were there to get well and not for a vacation only
    I got what I needed and the staff were almost all replaced just before summer with all new really good very qualified counselors and staff as I have met and got to know a few as I go to Wednesday night meeting but my primary before
    There were a few bad apple clients that wanted to spoil it seemed for the rest of us but we had a great group of people for the most part.
    I can also say that the fishing and boats of which included canoes and kayaks were there and started I would say in may so the person about count back 6 months and you would see that they were not even being used then as well there was all types of activities and great groups and we used the very best gym ever as I trained every day and then the indoor swimming pool and whirlpools but when we got into early spring beach volleyball it was a great group activity
    I do know that not everyone would have the same experience I had but I am grateful for what I did receive and think that oxy80 should think about being grateful instead of complaining and joining these other terrible people that come on here and tell these lies as I read through and couldn’t believe some of these things most if not all I never saw or was subject to.
    They should also know that I went with my family for a weekend in August and again in September as they have a cottage close by and the changes I saw like no more detox or nurses and doctors as they opened a full medical detox in Toronto and an outreach centre in Toronto as well that many of our pickerel lake group go to
    and yes they follow up with all of us in our group that I know of as I speak to my counselor about 2 times a week and they have an outreach person that calls our number and speaks with me and family
    I just want to thank them again for how they helped me changed my life and tolerated my sometimes out of tune guitar lol

  88. admin says:

    While they may be a lot of opinions of Pickerel Lake / Muskoka Recovery Center out there, one thing I do know for sure is their marketing/internet arm is simply top notch. There are constantly releasing fresh content and placing information all over the internet. So while they may have some issues in other areas, their internet presence is professional and very well run.

  89. MuskokaFine says:

    Yes Admin we will always have the utmost in marketing and online campaign there are others such as a few that post on here that go onto other google ranking pages and post lies and defamatory content against us just to try to defame and disturb our process of business…..yes unfounded lies they post and this is the very reason we must try to (as you mentioned) be as nice and diplomatic about such people and their actions……we try.
    But they go on these other sites and reference this site and its content so we feel that your blog here is used against us and these unsubstantiated claims including many untruths are being linked to this site and that we find offensive however we are finding it more useful to obtain more evidence against these individuals and will report very soon on our class action lawsuit against these and many other people.
    On another note we would like an email to send materials to you Admin to help in your posting of what to search for and including a new wonderful Opiate Detox Breakthrough that our doctors and addictionologists in Toronto have brought to the forefront for those suffering from opiate withdrawal that will guarantee freedom from opiates and any side effects or withdrawal in 3DAYS!!
    More to come…….yes once again our foundation strives to make addiction breakthroughs for those that have suffered so long.

  90. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    First of all to SmokeOxy80s, thank you for your Post. Yes, you heard correctly about the Sexual Assault. Hands down the pants of a PASSED OUT CLIENT. The only other thing, you still NEED to call the Police. They are still in the process of gathering evidence about this Sexual Assault at Muskoka Recovery/Pickerel Recovery Center. Anybody who knows anything about this Sexual Assault, Call the Police.

    I will tell you now that charges will be laid!!! Why, because John, I will make sure of it! You, your Wife Linda and Staff who knew about this will have a few charges coming too John; it’s called OBSTRUCTION there Mr. BidLaw!

    You see, the Criminal John Haines thought, he, his wife Linda and other staff who knew about his could just sweep it under the Rug. Not this time Johnny Boy!!!

    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/john-haines-muskoka-receovery-center-l30312.html

    PickerelLake
    Oct 9, 2012
    MUSKOKA LAKE RECOVERY LOGO IS STOLEN
    Hello, this is just a post show show yet another example of how JOHN HAINES loves to steal and feed off others for his own PLEASURE. The logo for the newly renamed “Muskoka Recovery” centre is STOLEN. The logo is in fact the logo which was created for and used by the 2010 Vancouver winter olympics. He used the inukshuk figure from the logo without changing it, including the colours. I have reported this today to the IOC and am awaiting reply regarding this theft of intellectual property. I have already created a mirror of the site and saved it locally, along with screen shots, etc, etc. So even if JOHN HAINES changes the site now its too late, he has used someone elses trademark without permission. John, do you hear the foot steps yet? Its only a matter of time before you are shut down or back in jail, or both.

    Take a look for yourself at the symbol on the Muskoka receovery website (www.muskokarecovery.com) , then check out the below link:

    http://www.google.com/search?aq=&rlz=1T4ADRA_enCA493CA495&q=vancouver%202010%20logo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

    • SmokeOxy80s says:

      im the one that discovered the logo was stolen and posted it under the name pickerel lake on that other site.

      to voice your concern about the STOLEN LOGO please email the IOC and let them know where the stolen logo is being used etc

      legal@olympic.org

  91. MuskokaFine says:

    Well here we go again more lies and slander.
    Please people understand this person caughtinyourownlies…. is spreading vicious likes and illegal content and allegations.
    There was no sexual assault!!….the OPP have no investigation just call the OPP burks falls detachment and ask.
    We are closing in on identifying these criminals like Liz Little, Leslie Th…, Sunil Ram, Bill VanDuzen and the others.
    You see you make mistakes and we get your area IP’s and are closing in.
    One great example……. Admin when you posted the zoning ad link caughtinyourownlies went and tried to post there

    here is what they posted:

    Comment Title: John Haines Pickerel Lake Recovery and Muskoka Recovery Center ** Sexual Assault * Fraud * Scam * Criminal
    Author: John Haines Pickerel Lake Recovery and Muskoka Recovery Center
    Email: gettingcaughtinyourownlies@gmail.com
    Link to content: http://www.treatmentmagazine.com/newswires/322-operation-pars-federal-nimby-suit-big-success.html

    Comment:
    There is a Rehab Center in Burk’s Falls Ontario, Canada that has been going through Zoning Issues.The owner of this Rehab Center is a Known Criminal charged with Drug Dealing, Drinking and Driving, Impersonating a Lawyers, Assault, etc…,

    Canada at this time does not have Regulations regarding Rehab Centers. This is why individuals like John Haines are able to get away with ripping off addicts when they come to his Illegal Rehab Center. Armourtownship is Burks Falls, Ontario is taking him to Court in December. This is the Second Court Date. John and his ‘group’ are stalling, not wanting to go to Court.

    There was a Sexual Assault that happened that went unreported to the Police. A Former Employee broke the News about this Sexual Assault at Pickerel Lake Recovery or Muskoka Recovery Center very recently.

    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2011/12/16/welcome-to-pickerel-lake-recovery-center/#comment-100

    Here is what the US Business owner of that magazine responded to you;

    Hi whoever u r,
    We r intrigued by ur accusations but turned off to by the fact that u have not named urself and are making these VERY serious charges anonymously…
    AND FOR UR INFORMATION THE ADDICTION TREATMENT FIELD IS LITTERED WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS….the reason for that is AT LEAST 80% of the people in the industry are in recovery themselves and, as a result of conduct while they were “out there” they acquired records…and I have seen it range from Heinous Felony Murder all the way to Jaywalking…
    Only after u identify urself and all allegations are validated will we possibly consider publishing ur comment…
    Feel free to call me…
    Ted Jackson
    Editor and Publisher

    Well guess what caughtinyourownlies@gmail.com we have your IP and are closing in much like the others who we are getting court orders
    guess what its called criminal harassment and as we posted before the exact charges under the criminal code that you will be charged under
    as well the spreading of those criminal and very serious allegations and getting police to look into a phantom allegation to benifit yourself and hatred for Mr Haines (see above ….”I will tell you now that charges will be laid!!! Why, because John, I will make sure of it!”) look up Mischief its what you and these others are guilty of under criminal code maybe also your own interpretation of Obstruction will backfire on you

    HEAR THOSE FOOTSTEPS???….thats the police or process server coming for you all very soon!!

    NO CRIMINAL CHARGES for mr Haines, Family or employees who have all been in to see the OPP in Burks Falls, who were asked in fact to look into those named in this blog.

    as for the Inukshuk let us know what the IOC says……or maybe we can tell you……..

    Logo that is trademark is inclusive of olympic circles and other words but our marketing and web people looked into all this before hand just so you know
    It was registered in 2005 and TM expired in june 2012 but I am sure you looked into that right??…… also look up canadian indian affairs who had a problem with any continuation of the use of the inukshuk by the IOC
    But I guess we should believe your posted lies once again
    we will wait for all your rebuttal and findings

    We will be posting all court proceedings for these individuals ADMIN on here so everyone can see how illegal and defamatory and slanderous individuals are dealt with.
    And we will post what happens in court matters with regards to zoning.

    • admin says:

      I actually have another link with another rehab struggling with zoning, it is not an uncommon issue. I have stated several times if they have any information about an assault they should take it to the police. Being that they have not, or come back on here and said they have most likely states to the quality of the information. I know Ted Jackson…. I am not surprised by his response… lol. He is a tough but fair guy.

  92. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Admin,

    I know you can’t take sides. But again, thank you for the opportunity to post on here! This is the guy, John Haines who wanted to shut this website down because the truth was getting out about his Scams!

    John, BOTTOM LINE, YOU DIDN’T REPORT A SEXUAL ASSAULT ON A HELPLESS PASSED OUT FEMALE CLIENT AT YOUR ILLEGAL REHAB CENTER. YOU THE MAN JOHN, yeah, for sure, YOU THE MAN!

    Again, thanks to the Former Employee who brought this Sexual Assault to light. If it wasn’t for you, this would have been just swept under the rug. Again, as I have said, as well as Admin has said on several occasions, f you know anything about this Sexual Assault, call the Police with the information.

    Admin, also, the email John Haines posted from Ted Jackson, well, it’s not accurate. I would call it a Lie. Well, you can decide for yourself. Admin, you know Ted. I have already sent Ted Jackson an email with John Haines Misquote.

    MuskokaFine says:
    October 14, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Only after u identify urself and all allegations are validated will we possibly consider publishing ur comment…
    Feel free to call me…
    Ted Jackson
    Editor and Publisher

    Here the is the actual email. Read the last line. From the research I have done, Ted, like you said seems to be a Fair Guy. This is why I reached out to him in the first place. I have informed him about John Haines Misquote, Lie, call it what you want. I will be following up with him this week.

    Yes, I am very serious when it comes to protecting the Vulnerable from the likes of the Scam Artist John Haines, His Wife Linda and their PR Lady Gail Smith.

    On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:20 AM, wrote:
    Hi whoever u r,

    We r intrigued by ur accusations but turned off to by the fact that u have not named urself and are making these VERY serious charges anonymously…

    AND FOR UR INFORMATION THE ADDICTION TREATMENT FIELD IS LITTERED WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS….the reason for that is AT LEAST 80% of the people in the industry are in recovery themselves and, as a result of conduct while they were “out there” they acquired records…and I have seen it range from Heinous Felony Murder all the way to Jaywalking…

    Only after u identify urself will we publish ur comment…

    Feel free to call me…

    Ted Jackson
    Editor and Publisher
    561-702-4235

    Hmmm…., So again to get back on track: John Haines, Currently ignoring a Cease and Desist Order, lying to everyone about it for a year, stalled one Court Date already, next Court Date for John Haines is December, use of a Unfit/Unsafe Fire Place, Unreported Sexual Assault, Numerous Criminal Charges, Unlawful Dispensing of Medication (more on this later) Claims that his Staff have all kinds of Accreditations. What was it, Accreditation with C.A.R.F. and others??? Post it John! No, eh John. Is the because you lied again. Yes, that’s what it is!

    Even Admin said your were welcome to post receipts to show you have at least started the process. Again, No, eh John? I didn’t think so. I know you can’t help telling Lies. I know John, I know! You were asked to post their Accreditation. NOTHING? You were asked to post the letter from the Town, NOTHING?

    You have been caught in numerous lies Mr. Haines. Actually, on this very website. Numerous times! Yes, I will say it once again, it takes time for the Police, as you know John, to gather evidence, but please understand John, You and your MOLESTER FRIEND both have charges coming. Yes, I have a problem with your Male Nurse Sexually Assaulting a Passed Out Client!!! I have a BIG PROBLEM WITH IT! Yes, I know you don’t John. You’ve proven it!

    You must feel like a big man John protecting a Molester at your Illegal Rehab Center. You never did tell us your refund policy with her John. Did you give her the money back? No, I didn’t think so John.

    As I said before, people just didn’t start to Hate you overnight for no reason. Google, John Haines, Criminal Rehab Owner, Drug Dealer, Scam Artist, Impersonating a Lawyer, right Mr. Bidlaw, etc…, It’s all there. Been there for years…, I am sorry John; that’s not my fault, I can’t change that fact that you are an Asshole. You are a Known Conman, and you will always be a Conman, end of story!!!

    • SmokeOxy80s says:

      ****** BOTTOM LINE JOHN******

      -Cover up of SEXUAL PREDATOR alledgedly. Alledgedly has his HAND DOWN HER PANT AT FRONT REACHING IN FOR A FEEL

      -Alledged COVER UP of caught in the act of sex by client between former counsellor TANYA and one of the males who i will not mention. They were alledgedly caught in the downstairs pool area.

      -STOLEN logo for latest business restart attempt

      -Owes lots of people money alledgedly. The centre may be shut down while you are there and the fine print in the contract alledgedly says YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR MONEY BACK if this happens

      http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/john-haines-muskoka-receovery-center-l30312.html

    • SmokeOxy80s says:

      be careful getting back to anyone that claims to be the press. it may be John acting as an imposter to get your email address or phone number. Who knows what he has planned to do with it

    • SmokeOxy80s says:

      John we realize the process to get C.A.R.F can take up to a year. With that being said I emailed them and I can now confirm that you do have to pay before hand to start the process. That means you should not have a problem posting proof of this payment. It seems this was already requested of you on this forum but you ignored it and posted a seprate comment AFTER the date and time that the request was made for proof of payment for C.A.R.F process begin.

      Wheres the proof Johnny???

      You have made threats on the internet for over a year now about taking anyone who complains online to court. Well I’m in my living room watching TV. Still at home. Havent been told about court.

      ***** FALSE THREATS *****

      (((((((( SEXUAL ASSAULT COVER UP )))))))))))))))

      (((((((SCAM))))))))

      • MuskokaFine says:

        Hey LIZ, LESLIE, SWITZER, get real comfortable for now on the couch because its coming real soon the lawsuit that will name you and others………we see you warned others of ways we could get names …….why you so scared to name yourself???? why hasnt anyone come forward of info regarding a sexual assault or any other allegations…….we keep checking with the OPP in burks falls and the local media but nothing yet!!!…..IMAGINE THAT……wonder why???…..BECAUSE ITS ALL LIES AND UNFOUNDED ALLEGATIONS…..thats why…..yes LESLIE we have you on record with threats as we do with LIZ…..its building people just building and you are all coming down!!!!
        You will ALL be exposed for the lying, pathetic, narcissistic individuals you all are!!
        Yes you all just keep posting and on some of the others that were easy to get to give up your IP`s and info

        As for CARF…….see what Admin said earlier regarding they themselves posting our progress on their site…….we will even come on here and post the link for you.

        So yes SmokeOxy80`s (what a pathetic name btw) we will even be naming you ……. but maybe we already have

        ON another note…….in looking into several different posting individuals our investigators have found a couple former clients and employees which is sad ….. one that the former clients are probably not clean and blame the centre and second that the employees are breaking confidentiality contracts as are the former employees of Executive Security Services International that will be effecting their license but more on that later

        • SmokeOxy80s says:

          John,

          at the time that you have so many complaints about you online that you have to hire INVESTIGATORS to see who they are….don’t you speak volumes itself about how many people have been ripped off by you? Or are you the reasonable one and everyone else is crazy. OH GREAT HEALER JOHN HAINES PLEASE LET ME KNOW

  93. MuskokaFine says:

    Caughtinyourownlies or Liz and Sunil and Leslie Tho….. and the rest will all be in front of a judge real soon because of your lies and hey while none of us need to make reference to what recently happened regarding cyber bullying there is laws against cyber bullies and people like you that hide nameless and tell these preposterous lies
    NOW HEAR THIS……..THERE WAS NO SEXUAL ASSAULT!!! ever so nothing will ever come of it but you will soon be shut down!!
    You and all your sick friends will get whats coming legally!!

    Ask the Admin here …..I think their last comment here was something like ” I have stated several times if they have any information about an assault they should take it to the police. Being that they have not, or come back on here and said they have most likely states to the quality of the information.” thats right you nameless hiding cyber creeps your worse than you allege of Mr Haines

    As for Ted Jackson of Treatment Mag …….. please do call him so he can tell you himself the so called “misquote” was quoted to Mr Haines on the phone when they spoke he said he should have included in his response to you that only ever with “absolute confirmation” would he or his publication of great ethics and importance to this industry ever publish what you wrote.
    Again call and ask him

    …… ya thats right feel that????….the wall is closing in around you and you will very soon be exposed for what you are ………. a bunch of pathetic lying, slanderous, malicious quite possibly neurotic individuals.

    Sad the bunch of you keep up this charade

    There is NO proof in anything you have said!!
    ONLY that you hate John Haines and will do anything like lying and telling wicked sick tales such as these to try and achieve some form of damage
    Fact is you are all sicker than the people we treat at their worst

    But hey I hear that its not too late for treatment and yes as Mr Haines says…………

    EVERY LIFE IS WORTH SAVING ……… EVEN YOURS

  94. SmokeOxy80s says:

    to @MuskokaFine

    If you are a legit employee or PR for Muskoka Lake recovery why the big secret as to who you are? Anyone that is not trying to hide their own identity would state their name if they are plainly saying they represent a company. The rest of us don’t identify ourselves as we are individuals, but you are clearly admitting yo uare an authorized employee to post on behalf of the centre so why not tell us who???

    I think we have all known from the start that MUSKOKAFINE is indeed John Haines himself posting as an IMPOSTER “just an employee”

    Admin, John Haines has still not posted true evidence that the zoning issue is cleared, or that the court case is over.

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WHO GOOGLED MUSKOKA RECOVERY TO SEE WHAT ITS ABOUT BEFORE YOU GO THERE:

    The place it used to be called “pickerel lake” is going to court in december. This place has charges against it!!

  95. MuskokaFine says:

    Wow calling the kettle black Liz, or Leslie, ooops can’t forget Ms Switzer anyways we will post who you all are very soon one by one when we have total conformation and also your name included in the class action lawsuit coming.
    We have said all along we are hired by John Haines and while we arent an individual we are like you.
    We will post the court outcome in December as we have said all along but doubt it will shut you and your cohorts up.
    Now as for you all hoping its John Haines himself behind this board postings and others it is not!!
    But we have been asked to post a quote from him…….

    John Says “While I could spend a great deal of time and energy finding opportunities to be offended. I have become a person who refuses to be offended by any one, any thing, or any set of circumstances. I have found that if something takes place and I disapprove, by all means I will state what I feel from my heart; and IF possible, I will work to eliminate it and then let it go. I have enough faith in my own beliefs and I find that it is therefore impossible to be offended by the beliefs and conduct of others.”

    To name 2 of us that follow and respond to this blog and others( we get paid to do along with our other PR duties ) its either Richard or Susan.
    Today its Richard but then again you will believe what you want.

    By the way here’s some new news for you………. to all those from the Burks Falls/Armour Township area watch for John Haines to run for Reeve/mayor in the next local election…..we will announce his candidacy on here too

    • admin says:

      Wow, I’d of never thought we would be one of the places where someone announces running for office… cool

    • SmokeOxy80s says:

      John you or your rehab centre cannot file a class action lawsuit. A class action lawsuit is a group of people or companies filing together against one group or person. It is not one group or person filing against many. I think you must have watched erin brokovich on coke or drunk.

  96. MuskokaFine says:

    Hey smokeOxy its actually Brockovich and looks like your smear campaign here on these blogs is exactly what we mean by many posting over and over.
    Homework so far (that on one of your benders SmokeOxy you can check into) shows that barely 50 – 60 different individuals in total since 2010 when it all started have posted
    since inception Mr Haines organization has helped more than 200 individuals per year(thats average of 150 – 250 per year current) so inreality if its all disgruntled former employees and ex clients that were discharged or relapsed the numbers are quite good in the complaints retrospect
    How about this way of looking at things
    Mr Haines has brought so much attention because he exposes himself to everything in an industry that takes very sick individuals both mentally and physically and tries against odds to save them it goes without saying that probably like in your case “THERE ARE SUCH UNFORTUNATES!!”
    So sorry!!

    • SmokeOxy80s says:

      Anyone who has googled pickerel lake recovery or muskoka recovery. Read the vreviews and complaints online. John Haines allows ((((SEXUAL PREDATORS)))) to go unreported at his facility apparently. He has been known to ((((IMPERSONATE)))) lawyers. He has been caught drunk before. And he screwed up his life in Alberta or whereever hes from so he came here. The guy leaves a trail of ((((DESTRUCTION)))). He constantly renames his facilities to conceal his ((((AGENDA)))) that he has making money off sick individuals. The poster “MuskokaFine” themself states they are an official representitive of the centre yet childish remarks like correcting someones spelling are made. ((((JOHN HAINES)))) is going to court in december for ((((VARIOUS CHARGES)))). The people of the Burk’s falls area don’t want him there. He believes his beloved ((((SUXOXONE))) drug is god’s gift to men and hands out the tablets like candy. Oh John, Great healer, how hast thou gotten rid of peoples cravings? By getting them hooked on suboxone, barely tapering the doses down. The centre is known to have counsellors that seek to mate and have sex with clients. John Haines used to shoot up ((((STEROIDS)))) so its no wonder he has anger problems. His football days and muscles have faded, he is now just an overweight shell of his old self trying to suck every last buck he can. google this if you are wondering if you should send your loved ones to muskoka recovery –>>> ((((**** JOHN HAINES REHAB*****)))) you will quickly see what people have posted on complaints boards, review sites, and so on. I would say about 80% ((((NEGATIVE)))) reviews and 20% positive. Why is that John. Why is it that other rehab centres dont have such problems as yours?

    • admin says:

      If there are 50 people who are actively vocal and dissatisfied, it is possible there are many more who are just silent about their dissatisfaction, as most people do not speak up and complain. However you may be right, and it is a small minority. Hopefully we can hear from more of the 1200 to 1500 you have helped.

  97. MuskokaFine says:

    OK supposed former client SmokeOxy80 – we have you named now so you and caughtinyourownlies will soon be in front of a judge….yes a “Class Action” lawsuit as you have not only committed slander and defamation again John Haines but also many others who are involved in suing you. Named 2 types for certain are Harrassment and Oral Defamation lawsuits.
    Cyber bullying is illegal and will not be tolerated specially since the Amanda Todd unfortunate and terrible situation. See we have hired the same company along with investigators to track/hack you all down
    Sunil Ram and his Employees all signed contracts so he and his company will loose licensing as will Liz’s husband loose his police pension, and Leslie hope your husband is used to spending his millions on your mistakes, and ms switzer your husband will appretiate as will your kids your swapping party with your boss.

    Now as per recent aftercare one former client came forward after reading your terrible sexual assault allegation and knows who started this rumor as she things it was her they were speaking of well she is well protected with our organization and lawyers and will provide the “real”truth that it was a FEMALE nurse that dressed her after she passed out and was sick in detox…….Just terrible you have turned this out ;like that…….she felt violated not by the FEMALE nurses help but by you sick individuals who post on here and other sites…….we are now having investigators and police look into this now criminally and as we said before we will ensure all you deplorable individuals are locked up!!
    YES SmokeOxy80 start feeling the (((HEAT)))

    By the way December is only for zoning which is an application…..not a “CHARGE” and its Suboxone not SUXOXONE….ooops there we go correcting your mistakes

    Hey SmokeOxy80′s or Caughtinyourownlies…. if you know all of this to be true why have you never named yourself…….We will tell you why its because those nameless are shameless with posting slanderous lies and deceit!!

    And remember we will still pray for you all!!

    • admin says:

      I hope your zoning issues go well…. I am sick and tired of people saying we want help for those facing addiction and then getting all angry and upset when a rehab opens next to them. Rehabs are quiet and pose no risk or annoyance over any other hotel or resort type operation. There is no alcohol or drugs in a rehab… unlike most restaurants and bars where alcohol is often served to excess.

  98. MuskokaFine says:

    Thanks Admin
    as we said we will be sure to post

    but on your comment the lawyer for this matter for Mr Haines and Pickerel Lake Recovery is in discussions and Mr Haines is considering bring forth an application to prove Township council and lakeside group members “Discrimination and Prejudice” a very big consideration since the “NIMBY”(Not in my back yard) case in the States.
    We will see soon where all this leads as well as the other Lawsuits against these others nameless individuals(not a one has ever named themself….NOT A ONE) that alone says a lot!!

  99. MuskokaFine says:

    Wow we are being noticed as one of the best in Canada and are rated in the top 5 biggest treatment organizations in Canada and top 3 of the Fully Private.

    Also very soon people will be able to see our name on CARF Canada website and we will post the link.

    In the meantime here is a great link to see us in US treatment news:

    http://www.treatmentmagazine.com/newswires/325-famed-billionaire-pritzker-foundations-buy-most-significant-deal-since-bain-crc.html

    • admin says:

      I had seen this link a few days ago… I get the updates from Treatment Magazine. Looking forward to it! congrats

    • admin says:

      Liz Little came on our blog and responded to your “investigator” ….Banix and was very clear she had nothing to do with the bad reviews and comments placed on the internet. I thought that information might help you in your search to clear your name, and your class action lawsuit.

    • admin says:

      I guess we will take that as a big “no comment” about Liz Little. Or do you still feel she is out to cause you trouble?

  100. MuskokaFine says:

    No not “No Comment” but we are still waiting on certain verifications
    But we have some new news and we are getting investigators and lawyers to finalize some further confirmations and information received.
    We will report further soon.

  101. MuskokaFine says:

    Admin

    While we never said exactly how or what Liz Little contributed to this and other blogs we have further proof as she mentioned “in text with Mr Haines” that was part of some materials contained on this and other blog as was the use of the computer of her security company and Sunil Ram. There are also several falsities in her reply that even after you found credible was verified as the following
    She used to itemize how many movies she downloaded to watch on her computer as she was caught several times on camera that was aimed down from right behind her location that was recorded and watched after her shift. She also said how Mr Haines and his wife Linda would come and mess rooms when they stayed up on location, well Mr Haines and his wife have a cottage on the same property (which was mentioned on here as they had the only generator during a blackout so they were nice and comfy) so they never ever used any of the rooms that Ms Little and her crew cleaned or set up. There are noted breaches of confidentiality involving her and her fellow employees that were also not mentioned.
    So in short …….. NO there will be no apology forthcoming

    On another note…….Yours and our friend Ted Jackson at Treatment Mag was contacted by the anonymous poster finally using a name that links up with several posting names on here and we are in midst of working with an investigator and lawyers to put some very serious legal action together regarding all involved.

    • admin says:

      She was not arguing about any behavior…. she stated she had not been involved in any of the on line complaints against Pickerel Lake. So I take it then you are still accusing her of being part of this on line attack and that you have proof of such. Because you clearly named her as being involved in the on line defamation of Mr. Haines.
      ” those people are the authors of some of these other postings, Such as Liz Little of Huntsville Ontario and her Husband Tom…” This is a quote from one of your postings. She said she had nothing to do with it…. you apparently think otherwise. I wonder who is telling the truth?

      • SmokeOxy80s says:

        Looks like john doesnt want to admit that he was wrong. John, as quoted above you stated liz little was involved with posting opinions about your cenre online. It has now been confirmed it wad not her. And you will not apologize for falsely accusing? It doesnt matter if she was caught on camera watching movies. The fact of the matter is that you made a false allegation and will not say sorry. You are after all the one making constant threats to have those who speak of your centres brought to court for defamation and cyber bullying. This is exactly what you have done and you were caught red handed.

        I think it is also worth mentioning for a refresher that admin has previously tracked the ip address of “muskokafine” and it turns out to be the same ip address as two other users. Another example of john caught in his lies.

        John, please comment on the false allegation you have made and also comment on the fact that your ip has been traced to three user names. There is no excuse if you forgot your password as there is a password retrieval method to your email.

    • SmokeOxy80s says:

      Alledged ((((RAPE )))) ???

  102. muskokakarma says:

    Admin:

    The great healer would never tell a lie. This upstanding citizen John Haines is going to be running for the position of Mayor in Armourtownship. Are you still running, Mayor John? The current Reeve/Mayor Bob better watch out eh, John? You are a funny man haines!

    Also, something about CARF and posting the information here? If you can’t keep a promises on something as simple as posting the CARF information here, as you said you would, maybe the position of mayor might not be a good idea for you as it involves Honesty. Something that we all know you are lacking in John Haines!

    MuskokaFine says:
    October 19, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    Also very soon people will be able to see our name on CARF Canada website and we will post the link.

    On another note:
    So John, you think the Sexual Assault that happened on the Passed Out Female Client at your Illegal Rehab is FUNNY? Is that right great healer? Do you think It would be Funny if it happened to your wife? You are a Piece of Shit Loser! This does explain a lot John. Here is the link.

    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/pickerel-lake-lodge-recovery
    l114/page/11

    RealTime69

    Oct 21, 2012
    What no real sexual assault??Its wasnt a sexual assault when it was found out your mother said yes!!

    molesteratpickerellakerecovery
    Oct 21, 2012

    Mom’s like that John. She actually a good sport! She’s happy to take One for the Team! John, Glad it was mutual and you didn’t have to Sexually Assault or RAPE her like your MALE NURSE DID AT PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY ON A PASSED OUT FEMALE CLIENT. She said she wasn’t surprised when the News Came Out about your Previous Charge of Sexual Assault. She still laughs about that little dick of yours. Just letting you know great healer!

    Your turn great healer. Tell us more of your bullshit!

  103. MuskokaFine says:

    The Bullshit is by SHANE BOURQUE…..you will be in cuffs soon enough …… did you learn how to spell “fuckin goof” yet???…..you are being traced along with everyone you are in contact with while you are at GREENSTONE too…..YOU SHANE were fired for being a sexual predator and sleeping with clients among other things…..and then going after Ralph which is why you and your sick people have started this…. go on reviewtalks and go on others that will all be traced to YOU and LESLEY, LILY, SUNIL, BILL V and a couple others
    MAKING up this LIE of SEXUAL ASSAULT/RAPE is all illegal and some current employees that were there back last December are speaking up even those that were in Detox to put this LIE to rest,
    MR HAINES will see all of you in COURT and JAIL!!!
    MARK THOSE WORDS
    WE OR MR HAINES DOESNT HIDE……YOU ALL REMAIN NAMELESS BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL HIDING COWARD LIARS!!!!!!!

    EVERYONE SOON ENOUGH WILL KNOW THIS WAS A DISGUSTING LIE THAT WENT TO THE LOWEST OF THE LOW TO TRY AND GET A GOOD MAN AND HIS COMPANY DOWN!!

    YES they will all respond to this and say NOOOOOO its true because one liar (probably shane is them all being coached by the former named people) posted it……….this CASE coming against these people will make presidence and the rest of you will soon learn!!!

  104. MuskokaFine says:

    ALSO

    CARF is an ongoing process and soon you will even see us on their website……we will be one of 3 accredited

    ADMIN we will forward our accreditation soon so you can have notice

    and yes smartass John Haines will be part of next election process in Armour Township. Watch for update in December after more zoning information or decisions are provided.

  105. Prometheous says:

    Allow me to say that after an hour of reading I cannot believe what I have read and all the inconsistencies are amazing not to mention a few morons in the mix.
    I am glad to see SmokeOxy80′s is alive and well (think I saw 6 months sober) so probably there around April/May and who talks about everyone elses shortcomings rather than continue to post on here and look anything but on the road to recovery. Sounds like they are on their own agenda, no wonder no one followed up with you as you indicated, I don’t blame them with an attitude like that. I think you asked if someone was Brad and then said he slept with meagan in the hot tub. wow I bet you caught them right? well the rumor wasnt brad at all it was Daryl

    Now I will state some things I know first hand and yes admin you can tell them I am not John Haines or the same IP as those others.

    I never ever saw or heard about any sexual assault and in fact till it was mentioned on here back in September there was never any sexual improprieties ever committed(sure they would have caught it on the 60 or so cameras) or rumored other than some clients sneaking to be together like in the back stairway or the odd crush on a staff member by a client.

    I will continue to chime in on occasion as I will only say this, you multi posters on here are very very sick and are engaging in and saying some very terrible things that if are false will be deemed as illegal as well you all might want to investigate what changes have been made since this recent young girl committed suicide because of Cyber Bullying and defamation but since John Haines isnt a young 15 yr old girl that will go commit suicide because of your slander and lies but I do bet he has legal rights(yes everyone in Canada does even those with checkered pasts) and you all are infringing on them.

    • admin says:

      Welcome Prometheous and badmanners and Muskokafine and banix…. you all have the same ip address, so I assume you all know each other. So would that make you a “multiposter”? It would make it easier to follow if Muskoka Recovery or Pickerel Lake only had one person or persona giving their side of the story. I get that you are upset. I will post your responses no matter what you identify yourself as.

      • SmokeOxy80s says:

        Busted again john! And yes it was brad that was caught with megan in the hot tub. Admin can we not do anything about the multiple user names? Clearly so many to make it seem like there is more on his side then there actually is.

        • admin says:

          People could easily post from different ip’s by going to a Starbuck’s or any other public wifi spot. So there is not much point. I only mentioned it in the last comment, because it seemed in poor taste to accuse others of something it appeared they were doing also.

  106. Prometheous says:

    Simple, We all work for the same company and are loyal.
    Please try to remember we have a few locations (not just Pickerel Lake) and 60+ employees, but these other sick people that post on here will have you believe its a fly by night organization run by imbeciles (calling John Haines every name in the book and even so much as a blatant lie like he was previously charged and convicted of sexual assault!, that went overboard and will be your downfall) when in fact its a great organization soon to be CARF registered(yes even in this unregulated industry) and every single Counselor or Therapist is now completely certified and registered. Yes things have changed considerably in the last 6-8 months and we will continue to rise above.
    Soon all these slanderous and defamatory cyber bullies will be named and be in court or in jail and we will make sure of it.
    Soon even you Admin will be forced to give up their information but lots has already begun to trickle in by other means found by our private investigators. Yes even Sunil and his faithful little criminal sidekick Shane and the lovely Lesley and 3 others we are confirming(Liz who did in fact bad mouth us back earlier this year).

    So SmokeOxy person there are many on this and other blogs you have been on that have been found to be the same multiposter, while the little man Shane continues to trip up with his anger(recently evident by his email to Ted at Treatment Magazine calling John Haines a Fuckin Goof) much like the little egomaniac Sunil who broke his own security license commission protocols of the Ministry of Justice. Good work.

    Keep posting all so we can continue to track you all down and turn you in one by one and make example of each and every one of you!

    • admin says:

      Why don’t you re read your last post. Here is a quote “Now I will state some things I know first hand and yes admin you can tell them I am not John Haines or the same IP as those others.” Well it seems now in this post you tell us you represent or work for John Haines and that you work for the same company and same ip address. Seems like an attempt at misrepresentation to me. Come on…. Really?

  107. MuskokaFine says:

    Good to see JP posted , know that prometheous anywhere,
    Did you actually say that LT, oops mean SmokeOxy80?”Admin can we not do anything about the multiple user names” and “Clearly so many to make it seem like there is more on his side then there actually is.” Hey smokeOxy, there are lots on OUR side!! but since you sounded like such a child”hey admin they arent playing fair, I am going to stomp my feet and have a tantrum” LOL
    Hey Admin…..remember how the whole “proxy” argument started and you thought you were so smart well tell everyone that what was meant was that your WORDPRESS is registered at “Domain by proxy”out of Arizona anyways more on that later.

    We will ALL now look to engage these pathetic lying morons every chance we get and YOU Admin will be the facilitator.

    • admin says:

      I neither think I am smart or clever. I am at a loss to understand the domain comments and the stuff about Arizona. We use Go Daddy to serve our website….good service and a great price. They are out of Arizona. I can say though I do look forward to you showing us all the information you have about the individuals making the statements about your rehab. Running a drug rehab center is a difficult and many times thankless job. A center often gets blamed for failure even when they do everything right. I hope all you say is true and we will gladly post all the evidence you have proving your position. I still wish you much success and hope you help many, many people. I often do not understand your methods, but no one could argue with your tenacity or your passion.

  108. MuskokaFine says:

    OK so your not smarter than a 5th grader……”WORDPRESS” is the name of the format used to register someone in order to comment on your blog, so we were saying we must apply to the Arizona court(since WORDPRESS and GODADDY are located in Arizona) for an order to demand release of these bloggers personal info

    As for running a rehab centre, yes its hard but when you have to oversee and run 3 its that much harder.

    So when you see the various people posting from our head office such as the ones above, understand that different “passionate” people have some different things to say. We will keep posting the truth in the face of all these liars and their illegal slander and attempt to keep you up to date on zoning, CARF and a few other things.
    HOWEVER in the mean time we will continue to help as many as we can.

    And to you sad pathetic liars…….keep blogging here and on reviewstalk, complaints board, and maybe one or 2 other blogs(yes they copy and paste 10 times over on those other 2 sites every 2nd day) as we want you to know we are always one step ahead and nothing you attempt will stop people from reaching out to us and they never see or read your pathetic postings and attempts to try and slow us down or stop us from helping all those in need!!!!

    • admin says:

      Why not simply say that the first time? Why talk in riddles? Why say you are not at the same ip when you are? If you know something, why not say it? I want to believe you and help you if all you say is true, but you sure make it hard to follow. Why not have a public relations person, with a name and phone number if you want people to see you are credible? Why have two people by your own admission post under the name of muskokafine? Why all the cloak and dagger stuff? If these are relapsed former clients….that is all they are. People in their addiction need to blame others. It is a symptom of their disease. Why all the name calling? I personally have never come across an organization that uses such strong language in public. I still fail to see how calling other people sad pathetic liars makes Pickerel Lake credible or a place I would want to attend. But then again, you are probably correct, I am not smarter than a fifth grader.

  109. MuskokaFine says:

    Admin

    After a late night meeting and discussion to same

    We have tried to have a method to the madness that you have noted,
    and that being sometimes you must resort to the level of those that you are trying to get across to or about, while we have tried to maintain a certain dignity in the past we may have fallen short by our previous engaging postings and by what was stated in your last post, therefore we are going to just post the future outcome of those things still outstanding like the zoning issue, the outcome of the investigation into the “online bullies”, the “slander/defamation” investigation and to include any arrests and/or lawsuits.
    and ofcourse the CARF certification which will be posted on their website for all to see.
    We grow weary of the negative impact these postings have had and with this we continue to pursue these matters at a legal level with the hopes of bringing to justice those individuals and their defaming accusations and light to the darkness they have created so we can redirect these efforts to continue saving those lives in need.

  110. SmokeOxy80s says:

    John the whole point of online forumd like this is to give personal opinions and experience, whether good or bad. Its not cyber bullying.

  111. SmokeOxy80s says:

    Liz, switzer, sunil, shane, me, others. That is how many people are saying bad things about you by your own admission. Its such an amazing coincidence,oh great healer, that so many people you deal with are the ones that screwed up. Of course its not you. Each of those people are wrong. Not the one person they have all dealt with. LOL. (((HEAR THE FOOTSTEPS JOHNNY BOY???))) SHERIF IS VGOING TO PUT LOCKS O YOUR FRONT DOOR SOON.

    ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤JOHN HAINES ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤

  112. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Admin,

    Wow, I don’t know what to say. Three (3) locations and each one of them is Operating illegally? John, say it isn’t so. I agree with the poster, all you have to do is post the letter from the Town of Aurora and Newmarket stating it’s cool with them that you operate your rehab centers.

    Nothing anyone can do then John because you have proven that’s it’s all above board. So I too, am waiting for the Letters to be posted.

    Here is the discussion taking place at: http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/pickerel-lake-lodge-recovery-l114/page/13

    newauroralocation
    Nov 4, 2012

    New Location Aurora for Vita Novus
    Go johnny, go. Business must be good John. A New Location for Vita Novus in Aurora.

    ILLEGAL AURORA REHAB CENTER
    Nov 5, 2012

    OPERATING ILLEGALLY AGAIN / Criminal Rehab Owner John Haines / Aurora Vista Novus Location NOT ZONED FOR REHAB CENTER
    The reason the great healer john haines has not responded to your above post is because the Aurora Vista Novus location is NOT ZONED FOR A REHAB CENTER. Yes, once again, rehab clown haines doing the same thing he is doing at Muskoka Recovery Center / Pickerel Lake Recovery in Burk’s Falls, Ontario.

    Residents of Aurora, Newmarket, and surrounding area have to call the Town and let them know what is going on. Make sure you tell them that he is already being taken to Court by Armourtownship for the Same Thing. Let them know about the Illegal Dispensing of Drugs, Unreported Sexual Assault, etc…,

    How it Works Recovery Newmarket
    Nov 5, 2012

    ANOTHER ILLEGAL REHAB CENTER – HOW IT WORKS RECOVERY – NEWMARKET, ONTARIO JOHN HAINES CRIMINAL REHAB OWNER
    Okay. so with all the talk about John Haines and Zoning issues, I decided to call the Town of Newmarket. Now, I don’t understand a few things; I told them about your rehab center John, and you know what, they have no idea who you are or anything about a rehab center.

    Now, I told them that Their Mayor was a dear friend of yours, this is according to you John, and he attended the Opening of your Rehab Center. You know what John, their was a long…, long…, pause, and again they had NO IDEA WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. But don’t worry, they were Very Interested in what I had to tell them.

    Hey John, if I am wrong and the Town of Newmarket is Wrong, then I will say sorry to you. I guess all you have to do is post the Zoning Letter from the Town of Newmarket authorizing you to Operate a Rehab Center. That will put this to and end very quickly. Waiting for your letter to be posted!

    ALSO, I AM ASKING EVERYONE TO CALL THE TOWN OF NEWMARKET AND TELL THEM ABOUT JOHN HAINES AND HIS REHAB CENTER THAT THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YES, ALSO TELL THEM THAT THE MAYOR, ACCORDING TO JOHN IS A FRIEND AND ATTENDED THE OPENING OF THE REHAB CENTER. GET READY FOR A LONG, LONG PAUSE WHEN YOU TELL THEM THAT.

    SO FAR THE INFORMATION I HAVE SUGGESTS THAT HAINES IS OPERATING ILLEGALLY AGAIN! CALL THE TOWN OF NEWMARKET. DON’T FORGET TO TELL THEM ABOUT THE CEASE AND DESIST ORDER IN ARMOURTOWNSHIP, UNREPORTED SEXUAL ASSAULT…,

  113. SmokeOxy80s says:

    whats this aurora rehab? is this another renamed/moved centre, or is it a new illegal rehab?

  114. muskokarecovery says:

    PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY & MUSKOKA RECOVERY CENTER INFORMATION REQUESTED

    ADMIN,

    YOU HAD STARTED A LIST OF QUESTIONS, ETC…, TO HELP PEOPLE FIND THE ‘RIGHT’ LEGAL REHAB CENTER FOR THEMSELVES OR THEIR LOVED ONE’S. I THINK YOU WILL APPRECIATED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY OLIVE (see below). PLEASE INCORPORATE ANYTHING YOU SEE THERE IN YOUR OTHER BLOG!!!

    I would be interested in having a discussion about some of those points if you wish. This blog itself can be turned into a Book about Rehab Conmen like John Haines.

    Let’s be smart and use this opportunity to learn from Rip Off Artist John Haines. I told you before John, you are a PIECE OF SHIT

    More and more Clients are coming forward about John Haines Illegal Rehab Center’s. There is another ‘investigation’ of sorts going on and I will get everybody up to date when we can share the information.

    This guy has 4 Illegal Rehab Centers on the Go. They WILL ALL BE SHUT DOWN! You have caused TOO MANY HEARTACHES, RIPPED OFF TOO MANY PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT EXCEPT HOW YOU WERE GOING FILL YOUR AND YOUR WIFE LINDA’S POCKETS WITH OTHER PEOPLES MONEY JOHN.

    NO, I DIDN’T FORGET ABOUT THE UNREPORTED SEXUAL ASSAULT AND THE UNFIT FIRE PLACE, ILLEGAL DISPENSING OF MEDICATION, STAFF SLEEPING TOGETHER, STAFF SLEEPING WITH CLIENTS…, OH YEAH, THE CEASE & DESIST LETTER THAT YOU HAVE IGNORED FOR OVER A YEAR.

    AGAIN, PEOPLE HAD TO BEG, BORROW AND STEAL TO SEND THEIR LOVED ONE’S TO YOUR ILLEGAL REHAB CENTER’S. YOU GAVE THEM SOME BULLSHIT 12 STEP PROGRAM AND CHARGED THEM $30,000 DOLLARS. YOU KICKED SOME OF THEM OUT TOO WITHOUT GIVING ANY OF THE MONEY BACK.

    SOMEONE DID ASK YOU BEFORE, DID YOU GIVE THE MONEY BACK TO THE LADY WHO WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY RALPH WHEN SHE WAS PASSED OUT AT YOUR ILLEGAL REHAB CENTER/PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY IN BURK’S FALLS (ONTARIO, CANADA)????????????

    DON’T WORRY, IT WILL ALL BE SETTLED SOON JOHN!!!

    YOU SEE JOHN, OUR ‘INVESTIGATORS’ HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS TOO. THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS THAT OUR ‘INVESTIGATORS’ ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THE BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE, IS OUR ‘INVESTIGATORS’ ARE ACTUALLY REAL THER MR, WHAT WAS IT, MR. JOE BANIX!

    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/john-haines-pickerel-lake-rehab-burk-039-s-falls-l13736/page/3

    Reposted from the Above Site.

    Olive H
    Nov 10, 2012
    PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY CENTRE
    This message is going out to all or any who can help by providing me with any information about Pickerel Lake Recovery Centre or John Haines himself. I am looking for some helpful information to any of these questions as well as any other information you can give me, good or bad on this facility whether it be from your experience as a client, or past/current employee, or you know of someone who stayed there. Thanks for your help.

    * Did you go through Medicard to help you finance the stay? And did you do any research on them…wondering if they are affiliated with John Haines in any way.

    * How did you find out about this facility? ie. Addictions Canada web site, friend/word of mouth, Pickerel Lake web site, your doctor

    * Did you bring in any of the current medications you were on and if so was there any documentation provided to you (witnessed) showing you did in fact forfeit the medication, as well, did you receive any documentation of how or when it was disposed of? (ie. to a pharmacy/doctor)

    * What type of processed was followed during the initial consultation upon your arrival? ie. were you weighed, any medical history discussed, were you aware if they would be contacting your doctor to request information.

    * Where you given ANY medication PRIOR to seeing a medical doctor? If so, for how long were you given any medication before you were able to see a doctor in order to get a prescription in your own name?

    * Were you ever advised of any types of contingency plans in the event of any kind of emergency. ie. medical emergency, fire, intrusion, power outage.

    * Were you given any information prior to the exchange of money indicating that this program would be solely based on the 12 step/big book beliefs?

    * Did you feel like you got what was promised to you? ie. proper medical care, regular visits with a certified doctor, activities advertised, regular “one on ones”, after care

    * Did you find the facility was providing your family/loved ones with false information during your stay? ie. telling your family you were doing well when if fact you were not, ignoring/not returning calls from your family

    * Did you professional? ie. always available, talking on their cell phones, bringing in Tim Hortons coffee, being respectful to clients

    * Did you at any time feel that your safety was at risk? Did you feel the safety and security of the facility was adequate? ie. no possibility of intrusions, harm from other clients/staff

    * Did you feel your needs were treated in an individual manner as opposed to being lumped in as a “drug/alcohol addict”?

    * During the over night shifts how many staff were available in the event of any emergency issues such as counselling, medical issues, safety issues?

    * If you chose to leave the facility earlier that the time you had committed to, how were you treated? Was the staff still friendly, did they show concern, did anyone give you contact information to “keep in touch”

    * Did anyone from the program contact you after your stay whether you completed your program or not?

    * Did any of the staff ever offer you drugs or alcohol during your stay promising you any preferential treatment?

    * Did you prior to, during, or after your stay find out any information about this facility that was unsettling to you? ie. lack of qualifications of staff, improper dispensing of medication

    Please know, I am someone who sent a family member to this facility and was very disappointed with everything that had to do with this place. I have legitimate concerns and need as much information as I can from everyone in order to pursue this. Any information you can provide me with would be greatly appreciated. Yours Truly Olive H

  115. SmokeOxy80s says:

    My understaning is that john’s trial for the illegal zoning and unfit fireplace were in december. Anyone know how court went. Is it still called muskoka recovery or did it change again?

  116. muskokakarma says:

    Admin,

    The reason I posting the below is, if you read it, a few things come to mind: This posting is over two (2) years old and NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH JOHN HAINES. ACTUALLY, THINGS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE!

    He is still up to his old games of RIPPING OFF ADDICTS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HELP! STILL THREATENING PEOPLE WHO EXPOSE HIS FRAUD. http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2012/08/25/muskoka-recovery-center/

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/vita-novus-new-life-recovery-center-stouffville-ontario-c353871.html?page=10

    21st of Oct, 2011 by Barb Sooz
    How pathetic that a company is reduced to actually defending itself on a complaints board! yeah all potential clients really want to read about your pathetic operation and your responses in defense are really going to have them thinking that his is the place to go! LOL John you are such a loser. Hire a PR executive your current methods are pathetic. Impersonating lawyer? Insurance fraud? Wages garnished? Collection agents? Out of control debt? Not paying rent? Being evicted? Not paying employees? Drug addict? Drunk? I mean what idiot would even consider your organization as a good place for their family. And if anyone does, they deserve to get what you offer. SHIT! And even if I am a disgruntled employee (which I am not..not at all!) it is a sure sign that your hiring practices are horrific. Either way, an angry employee, a pissed off past client whatever you think I am, who cares it doesn’t change the actual issue; You are shit!

  117. muskokakarma says:

    NOTICE OF OPEN HOUSE PUBLIC MEETING TO DISCUSS PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY – CEASE AND DESIST ORDERS STILL IN PLACE – CURRENTLY OPERATING ILLEGALLY!

    http://www.armourtownship.ca/pdf/plrc_openhse_april13_2013.pdf

    NOTICE OF OPEN HOUSE PUBLIC MEETING:
    TO CONSIDER AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE ARMOUR TOWNSHIP OFFICIAL PLAN TO RECOGNIZE THE PICKEREL LAKE ADDICTION RECOVERY CENTRE

    OPEN HOUSE
    Date: Saturday April 13, 2013
    Location: Karl Crozier Community Hall
    220 Centre Street, Burk’s Falls
    Time: 10:00 am Presentations followed by open house until 12 noon

    THE PROCESS

    Armour Council has not yet made a decision on the proposed Official Plan Amendment.People attending the Open House will be invited to comment on the proposal.

    After considering the comments received from the public at this open house and the Statutory public meeting, Council will make a decision whether or not to adopt the proposed Official Plan Amendment.

    This should be interesting….,

  118. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Admin,

    So you mean to tell me that this low life COKE HEAD, REHAB SCAM ARTIST, John Haines was LYING When he told Everyone on this board, and many, many other places on the internet that:

    ((MuskokaFine says:August 27, 2012 at 2:18 am))
    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2012/08/25/muskoka-recovery-center/

    Well we challenged it and won as with our hired planners and local lawyers we have changed and are now going for rezoning for future development and road allotment……so contrary to other reports and posts on this site we are NOT operating illegally nor is the town taking us to court. (???)

    John, This is why you SHOULD BANNED/NOT BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE A REHAB CENTER ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET!

    YOU ARE A SICK F***. A PATHETIC LOSER, LOW LIFE WHO ONLY WANT’S OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY, ANYWAY THAT YOU CAN GET IT, RIGHT Mr. Rehab?

    HEY MR. REHAB, WHEN IS YOUR NEXT REHAB TALK? YOU WERE ASKED THAT BEFORE? HOW’S THE CARF STUFF GOING. CAN’T FIND YOU ON THEIR WEBSITE???

    YEAH, IT SHOULD BE AN INTERESTING MEETING THIS SATURDAY!

  119. johnnylovesyoualot says:

    Admin,

    John Haines was going to keep us all up to date about His Political Ambitions in Armourtownship. What happened? What’s the news? Get us up to date Rehab Clown! See Below, from the CLOWNS OWN MOUTH:

    MuskokaFine says:
    November 1, 2012 at 9:34 am

    and yes smartass John Haines will be part of next election process in Armour Township. Watch for update in December after more zoning information or decisions are provided.

    Hey John,

    TO THE POLICE…., JUST KIDDING, LEGAL SYMTEC. BUT I THINK MOST READERS WILL FIND THAT FUNNY!!!

  120. muskokakarma says:

    http://www.cottagecountrynow.ca/news/article/1606819–pickerel-lake-zoning-could-see-compromise

    Mary Beth Hartill |Apr 18, 2013

    BURK’S FALLS – Yes, no or compromise are the three options Township of Armour council will look at when it comes to a wellness centre operating on Pickerel Lake.

    An open house public meeting was held on April 13 at the Karl Crozier Community Centre in Burk’s Falls to discuss the zoning decision under consideration by the council for the Pickerel Lake Recovery Centre.

    “It appears to me right now there are three choices,” said Reeve Bob MacPhail. “The first two choices are cut and dried. The council could just say no. The other sort of black and white is yes.”

    In the province of Ontario, there are no regulations for recovery facilities such as the one currently operating at the site of the former Pickerel Lake Lodge.

    “If we just said a flat yes it means the council really has no control over it so it may not be an option,” said MacPhail. “The other option is what I call the compromise option between the yes and the no.”

    Under the Municipal Act a municipality can set up its own licensing system so they could agree to grant the zoning, however still impose rules and restrictions.

    “We could have a license that says the maximum number of clients that could be there,” said MacPhail. “We could license the minimum number of staff that we have there.”

    Township planner Robert Miller says the effect on the local ratepayers is the prime impact the municipality has to consider.

    “The Pickerel Lake Recovery Centre, under a numbered corporation, purchased Pickerel Lake Lodge and established itself under the misapprehension that all it needed for approvals was a building permit,” he said. “That assumption turned out to be false.”

    It was about year later when the Recovery Centre owners applied, after opening, for changes to the zoning and Official Plan.

    The applications were filed in November of 2012 and Wayne Simpson of Wayne Simpson and Associates, planner for the applicant, says amendments being sought to the Official Plan and zoning bylaw would accommodate the addiction recovery centre at the location.

    There was a concern raised about the legality of the operation after the facility had been ordered to cease operations by the Township for believing that the operations are in contravention of the zoning bylaw. The issue was taken to the Superior Court, however, that case has been put on hold with council deciding to deal with the planning issues as quickly as possible.

    Simpson says that although the facility provides non-medical and non-drug services.

    “We want to differentiate this facility from other facilities where there is medical care, where there may be care provided by doctors, clinicians and people administering drugs. What might come to mind is a detoxification centre, for example,” he said. “This facility started off with those types of activities occurring at the facility but during the first six to eight months the facility was reshaped and redefined.”

    Those functions were moved off site and those employed to deliver those medical services are no longer at the site. There is a facility in Newmarket associated with the Pickerel Lake Recovery Centre providing medical treatment.

    “A recovery centre is not a defined use and is not a permitted use in the zoning,” said Miller. “This is not an application to develop something, it is an application to define and validate something that is already established.”

    There are 156 acres of land but the changes would be applicable to only the front 10 acres, which includes the existing buildings.

    A proposed amendment to the Official Plan to allow a portion of the applicant’s property to be defined as “an addiction recovery centre which means a commercial use where, for those struggling with addiction to drugs or alcohol, wellness is promoted through the intensive delivery of a comprehensive range of non-medical and non-drug services, including spiritual, social, recreational, nutritional and educational programs that are customized to meet the particular needs of individual guests.”

    “This will be a place where individuals will go to escape their daily life routines … it’s important for some of these people who are at this facility to get away from their daily routines, to get into an environment that doesn’t trigger their addiction,” said Simpson.

    Miller says with the compromise option, the license would keep a lot of the control in the hands of the Township.

    A decision must also be reached without what was referred to as ‘people planning’ that could contravene the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including prohibiting individuals with afflictions.

    “If this is the nature of your complaint you should put your mind to this because that type of complaint is not available to you … it’s a recovery centre,” said Miller.

    Miller also asked members to public to consider the common good.

    “There are over 35,000 people in Ontario being treated for addictions to prescription narcotics. Alcohol is another problem,” he said. “… there is a need for many, many people to be treated for these addictions.”

    Miller says the questions remains whether the residents on Pickerel Lake recognize the common good and the need for a treatment centre in the area.

    Simpson noted that as part of the Armour’s Official Plan there is a goal for a wider commercial and assessment base and more employment opportunities.

    “These are permanent year round positions, not seasonal,” he said. “These employees will also involve a higher degree of education and higher salary and will be spending here and everything that goes along with that.”

    He notes the facility promotes the health of Ontarians and the environment and the lodge will be as environmentally sound as previous uses.

    “People can be assured that what takes place at the centre will exist within the regulations,” said Simpson. “The centre will be fully under control of the municipality under the municipal Official Plan and the bylaw.”

    “The other question is, is the old Pickerel Lake Lodge a suitable location for a licensed and inspected drug recovery centre if one considers the common good if it is properly regulated and properly controlled,” said Miller. “We need to think of both sides.”

    There will be a statutory public meeting slated at a future date, likely during the summer, and council will deliberate after that time.

    MacPhail says that regardless of council’s decision the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing will make the final decision.

    “There is a final step, which nobody hopes we ever get to, if someone is not happy with the final decision made by Municipal Affairs then they can appeal it and it goes to the Ontario Municipal Board,” he said.

  121. SmokeOxy80s says:

    Well johnny boy going to change the name again soon?

  122. muskokarecovery says:

    He is using VITA NOVUS FOR ALL OF HIS ADDS ON KIJIJI ABOUT HIS ILLEGAL REHAB CENTERS NOW.

    Too many negatives adds about Pickerel Lake Recovery, Muskoka Recovery Center.

    This low Life Scum, Scam Artist is still up to his lies. There is still a existing CEASE AND DESIST ORDER IN PLACE FOR VITA NOUVS/PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY/MUSKOKA RECOVERY CENTER, what ever you want to call it.

    I think you are right SmokeOxy, this Scum BaG is due for a Name Change. Maybe we help the greathealer. Anyone have any ideas for a Name Change???

    Hey John, why don’t you share with everyone about ALL YOUR RECENT LEGAL PROBLEMS??? Don’t worry, just because we haven’t posted for a while doesn’t mean we have forgot about how many ADDICTS YOU HAVE RIPPED OFF!’

    How’s the CARF stuff going??? Yeah, that’s right, IT’S NOT GOING!!!

  123. have a chance to tell your story says:

    W5 & MARKET PLACE ( CTV AND CBC’s CANADIAN INVESTIGATIVE NEWS SHOW WHERE THEY EXPOSE FRAUD) IS INTERESTED IN SPEAKING WITH ANYONE, CLIENT’S, FORMER EMPLOYEES & COUNSELORS WHO CLAIMED THEY WERE HIGH ON DRUGS AND JOHN HAINES KNEW ABOUT IT WHEN THEY WERE DOING INTERVENTIONS, ANYONE WHO HAS HAD DEALING WITH JOHN HAINES AND HIS ILLEGAL REHAB CENTER’S. CALL THEM!

  124. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Hey Clown, yes, that’s you John,

    Telling More Lies about your iLLEGAL REHAB CENTERS………….,

    Go to the link below. Apparently everyone who has been complaining about
    John Haines ILLEGAL REHAB CENTERS FOR YEARS, VITA NOUVS, MUSKOKA RECOVERY CENTER, PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY are ALL MISGUIDED, AND ACCORDING TO THE greathealer, Rehab Clown John Haines, THEY ARE ALL UNRELIABLE SOURCES.

    “Don’t pay attention to the unsubstantiated Vita Novus complaints that you might find online, as they come from unreliable sources and the center is one of the finest rehab clinics in Canada.”

    http://www.freepressrelease.com/vita-novus-ends-hopelessness…/698557/‎

    Really John? I guess SCAMMING ADDICTS GET’S YOU THE MONEY YOIU NEEDTO PAY FOR YOUR OWN DRUG HABITS, RIGHT MR. WALK THE WALK?

    • admin says:

      I think it is very apparent you feel Pickerel Lake/ Muskoka Recovery is not the best choice for a drug rehab center. I was wondering if you had any recommendations of a drug rehab center you would recommend. Because ultimately people on this site are not looking for the worst drug rehab center, they are looking for the center to send their loved one, where they will be safe and have a good chance at recovery. Do you have any recommendations?

  125. muskokarecovery says:

    greenestone.net

    Greenestone is a Rehab Center based in Muskoka also. The only thing that comes up if you Google: greenestone, rehab, complaints, is that John Haines was there temporary.

  126. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    ttp://www.aomps.com/

    Addiction Outreach Muskoka Parry Sound is another Rehab Center serving Muskoka and Parry Sound. Google the words, addiction outreach muskoka parry sound, complaints. Unlike the reveiws and complaints about Vita Novus, Pickerel Lake Recovery, Muskoka Recovery, Addiction Canada Treatment Network ( all operated by John Haines) I can’t find any complaints about them!

    Remember, as it was said before, one of the first things you need to do when looking at a Rehab Center is to Google their Name and the words, Reviews, Complaints. Maybe good idea to Google the words, Sexual Assault, Cease and Desist Orders. Talk with the Local Town, Fire Department, Neighbours, to see if any Breachs of By-Laws, etc…, ask for referels, visit the Center……,

    Admin,

    I think it would be useful if you could paste the link to your site again about How to Chose a Rehab Center and the Questions one needs to Address before handing over Money!

    • admin says:

      Why do you think it is so difficult to find out how good a drug rehab program is? Why do people not come on sites and tell us about their success stories in drug treatment?

  127. muskokakarma says:

    What a great question. And as we all know, the greathealer John Haines, has been caught many, many times on this and many other sites FABRICATING TESTIMONIALS!

    Admin, I too think that if someone was successfull going through one of these programs, they would want to share their experience with others. The only conclusion that I can come to as far as John Haines and his ILLEGAL REAHB CENTER’S ARE CONCERNED, Is that the “SUCCESS RATE IN NEXT TO NIL, ALMOST ZERO, That’s why NO ONE but John Haines is writing these Lies, these Fabricated Testimonials. What other explanating is there? Maybe John can give us a few answers?

    Yes, remember, not only does this guy make up bullshit testimonials about his ILLEGAL REHAB CENTER’S, but this is the same Conman who was caught telling his clients he was/is CARF Accredited. As we all know, CARF made him remove the LIE!

  128. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    Admin,

    There are all kinds of success stories out there about Vita Novus, Pickerel Lake Recovery, Muskoka Recovery Center, Addiction Canada Treatment Network………, THE PROBLEM, THEY ARE ALL WRITTEN BY CONMAN JOHN HAINES!!!!

    On a different note, I understand W5 is wanting to speak with anyone who has been to any ILLEGAL REHAB CENTERS OPERATED BY JOHN HAINES. Maybe when they do their Hidden Camera interviews, they can find someone who has had “Success” with Conman John Haines and his 12 Step Programs!! Yeah, I don’t think so either!!!

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/vita-novus-new-life-recovery-center-stouffville-ontario-c353871.html?page=14

    W5 ( CTV) – Re: VITA NOVUS, JOHN HAINES

    How can I suggest a story idea to W5?

    Please forward a concise synopsis of your story to W5 — we recommend no more than one page. Keep in mind the five w’s of journalism when explaining your story: who, what, when, where and why — and don’t forget how. Do not submit original documentation. If we decide to proceed with your story we will contact you as part of our research and may request additional information and documentation then.

    You can submit your story idea by e-mail to W5@ctv.ca. We recommend that you put IDEA at the start of your subject line so we can easily identify your e-mail.

    You can also send us your story proposal by mail to:

    W5, CTV
    P.O. Box 9, Station “O”
    Toronto, Ontario M4A 2M9

    You can also send story ideas by fax at 416-384 -5938.

  129. Is is not that much simple to recover from addictions.There are several type of practices you have to learn for recover from addictions.I will always suggest http://www.bellwood.ca/ for addiction treatments.

  130. Thanks for the information.I had know another Alcohol and drugs rehabilitation centre in Toronto .They are giving good services.You can check more here @ http://www.bellwood.ca/

  131. muskokarecovery says:

    http://www.armourtownship.ca/

    NOTICE OF STATUTORY PUBLIC MEETING FOR SATURDAY, OCTOBER 5, 2013
    TOWNSHIP OF ARMOUR CONCERNING A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE OFFICIAL PLAN TO RECOGNIZE THE PICKEREL LAKE ADDICTION RECOVERY CENTRE.

    ( I Know, I know, the greathealer told eveybody this zoning issue was resolved a long time ago, and that he was now going for other zoning issues, re: road allowance, etc…, Yeah, HE LIED! I Know, What a Shock!

    I DON’T WANT A GUY LIKE THIS IN MY BACKYARD, THAT’S RIGHT (NIMBY) It would be Very Different if we were dealing with a Honest man, but John Haines is anythig but Honest. You are dealing with a Conman, A Known Drug User, A Known Criminal; Basically a Shit Head who has been ripping addicts off with his bullshit 12 step program, all the while stealing their meds for resale. Isn’t that right John???

    TAKE NOTICE That the Council of the Township of Armour will hold a statutory Public Meeting on October 5, 2013 at 10:00 a.m. in the Karl Crozier Community Hall, upstairs at the Arena in Burk’s Falls to consider a proposed Amendment to the Official Plan under subsection 17(15) of the Planning Act.

    Please note that an application has also been received for a related Zoning By law Amendment File No. ZBA 02/13 under Section 34 of the Planning Act to amend By-law No. 27-95 as amended, the Armour Township Zoning By law.

    The purpose of the application to amend the Official Plan is to define and permit an addiction recovery centre on the site of the former Pickerel Lake Lodge located partly within the Waterfront Community and partly within the Rural Community designations of the Armour Township Official Plan.

    The proposed Zoning By-law Amendment will implement the proposed Official Plan Amendment by defining and adding an addiction recovery centre to the permitted uses in the Recreational Commercial Exception 61 (RC-61) Zone which covers the developed commercial area of the former lodge.

    ANY PERSON MAY ATTEND this Public Meeting and/or make written or verbal presentations either in support of, or in opposition to the subject application.
    IF A PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY does not make oral submissions at a statutory Public Meeting or make written submissions to the Township of Armour before the subject amendment is passed, the person or public body is not entitled to appeal the decisions of Armour Township Council to the Ontario Municipal Board and
    may not be added as a party to the hearing of an appeal before the Ontario Municipal Board unless, in the opinion of the Board, there are reasonable grounds to do so.

    IF YOU WISH TO BE NOTIFIED of the adoption of the proposed official plan amendment, or of the refusal of a request to amend the official plan, you must make a written request to the Clerk-Administrator at the address
    below.

    IF YOU WISH TO EXPRESS your views with respect to this application, please forward your comments in writing to the Clerk-Administrator at the address below. The personal information accompanying your submission will become part of the public record.

    ADDITIONAL INFORMATION relating to the proposed Official Plan Amendment is available for inspection during regular office hours at the Municipal Office.
    Dated at the Township of Armour this 5th day of September, 2013.

    Mrs. Wendy Whitwell
    Clerk-Administrator, Township of Armour
    56 Ontario Street, Box 533, Burk’s Falls ON
    P0A 1C0

  132. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    It Never Ends with Rehab Clown. One Lie after Another. Who are these Doctors John? Can you post their Contact Info. This is Called Fraud and has to be Reported to the Police, Health Canada, Your Local MP, etc…, Makeing up Doctors Now, are we Johnny boy? SAD, very Sad!

    It may take a litle time, but I predict little johnny will end up behind Bars, AGAIN!
    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/vita-novus-new-life-recovery-center-l2225/page/7

    ghot – Aug 31, 2013
    ADDICTIONS CANADA
    Rehab for a family member is $ 20,000 for 8 weeks plus $ 3000 for rep fees, but all efforts to find info on doctors fails–even have lawyers looking–Muskoka BBB does not reply to queries—CMA (Canadian Medical Ass’n) has no listings for doctors on site-Dr. Richard Tucker and Dr. Manish Malik??????? There is NOT ONE reputable addiction center that has even HEARD of this place–going under their newest name Addictions Canada….. Why is this John Haines not in jail

  133. gettingcaughtinyourownliesjohn says:

    http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/munish-malik/2a/560/b3b

    Nothing of Tucker. Anybody got any info. I would like to speak with these people, if they are real? Don’t worry haines, we’ll get to the bottom of this!

  134. liesbyconmanjohnhaines says:

    Hey John, How come you Erased my Comments on your Youtube Video’s. It’s ok, I’ll post it here for Everyone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hklBKWHw7s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbD7IlDltqk

    John Haines is Liar! Ok, we all know that, but let’s prove it once again.
    In this Video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hklBKWHw7s ) watch from 3:10…., He says his Illegal Rehab Center is Licenced and that they are putting the final touches on the zoning issues. Once a Liar……, In your case John……, ALWAYS A LIAR!!!

    EVERYONE: There is still an ACTIVE CEASE AND DESIST ORDER TO STOP ALL OPERATIONS IMMEDIATELY. THIS ORDER HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS. HAINES JUST IGNORED THE ORDER AND KEPT TELLING EVERYONE, LIKE HE’S DOING NOW THAT EVERYTHING IS OK WITH HIS ILLEGAL OPERATIONS.

    IT’S NOT, AND NO, you’re NOT LICENCED John, Why,because as we all know, and here is the link: http://www.cottagecountrynow.ca/news-story/3577537-pickerel-lake-zoning-could-see-compromise/

    ((((In the province of Ontario, there are no regulations for recovery facilities such as the one currently operating at the site of the former Pickerel Lake Lodge.)))

    So tell everyone, who gave you the Licence?

    Call Armourtownship….., Municipal Office – 56 Ontario Street, P.O.Box 533
    Burk’s Falls, Ontario Canada P0A 1C0 – 705 382-3332 or 705-382-2954…….,

    I did and they said, once again,

    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2012/08/25/muskoka-recovery-center/
    PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY CEASE AND DESIST ORDER says:
    March 17, 2013 at 8:00 am

    ” Reeve MacPhail explained that the planning process is completely separate from the current litigation regarding the applications submitted and that because of this, only matters relating to the submission of applications would be discussed in open council.”

    HERE YOU GO: http://www.cottagecountrynow.ca/news/article/1299576–pickerel-lake-recovery-vista-novus-muskoka-rehab-scam-by-john-haines

    “If we just said a flat yes it means the council really has no control over it so it may not be an option,” said MacPhail. “The other option is what I call the compromise option between the yes and the no.”

    Under the Municipal Act a municipality can set up its own licensing system so they could agree to grant the zoning, however still impose rules and restrictions.

    “We could have a license that says the maximum number of clients that could be there,” said MacPhail. “We could license the minimum number of staff that we have there.”

  135. muskokakarma says:

    Admin,

    Here is the new link. The old link does not work: Also, don’t mniss John Haines Youtube Videos. Same thing, still threatening people with lawsuites, etc…, telling stories about CARF.

    http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk//launch.aspx?eid=69ec09fe-c076-429d-8084-c331557a261a

    John, why don’t you just post the information so everying one can see…., oh yeah, you can’t, because…………, I just rememberd, we are dealing with some who can’t tell the truth, a Liar! You need to check into a Rehab program and get some help with you problem telling lies!

  136. liesbyconmanjohnhaines says:

    Admin,

    Just wanted to keep everyone up to date.

    Repost
    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/pickerel-lake-lodge-recovery-l114/page/16

    Rehab Clown is on his last legs. He’s really, really trying to convince people that his Illegal Rehab Operation is legit. No, it’s not Rehab Clown. If anyone wants a Laugh, go to the sites below and have a laugh on Conman John Haines! Post something when you are there and let the Clown know, We Don’t Forget!

    Same thing over and over, going to Sue Everybody, IP Address, Posting and saying it’s not him doing the Posting, but the PR Company he’s hired. ( No Clown, IT’S YOU POSTING) simply, Telling More Lies!

    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/loser-posters-at-it-again-vita-novus-says-l43048.html

    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/loser-posters-at-it-again-l43049.html

    John, if zoning finally gets approved and you get licenced by Armourtownship, (thought you were licenced and zoned already. You said so on this board, and many other places on the internt. Oh, LYING AGAIN JOHN) then there will be nothing to more to post about zoning in Armour.

    Oh, wait, there will always be something to post about you, as long as you are in the Rehab Rackett Business, Ripping Off Addicts. You are nothing more than a Low Life Scammer John!

    Will have more information in a day or so…….,

  137. muskokakarma says:

    Admin,

    This POST is from a very recent client who attended Pickerel Lake Recovery. She’s not hiding, in fact she is putting herself out there to help others.

    Good reminder that you are DEALING WITH A CONMAN, A RIP OFF ARTIST, A COCAINE JUNKE, John Haines! Yes, he has many lawsuits he is CURRENTLY dealing with!!!!

    MANY THANKS TO BADMANNERS FOR PUTTING YOURSELF OUT THERE. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. THIS COCAINE JUNKIE HAS RIPPED OFF MANY OF US. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT’S GOING TO COME TO AND END!!!!!

    http://badmanners2159.blogspot.ca/2013/09/john-haines-vita-novushow-it-works.html

    John Haines/ Vita Novus/How it Works/ Pickerel Lake/ Addictions Canada/ Toronto Addictions/Ontario North Addictions
    Hi Everyone,

    It has recently been brought to my attention that the owner of the Addictions Facility that I attended, and where I was extremely mislead and mistreated has now changed all of it’s names to not have as much negative attention with the old facility names. Pickerel Lake Recovery, where I went, is now known as Ontario North Addictions and How it Works is now known as Toronto Addictions.

    Here’s the reason for this Blog. The Facilities that John Haines runs are not ran properly or up to code of standards for even prisoners, never mind the broken, forgotten , beaten and ignored souls of those whom suffer from addiction. He has had many facilities in the past 10 years of his life and each one has failed, or gained a poor reputation. Each time he continues to change the name and continue to rip off people at their most vulnerable state. He charges 30,000$ /month for care in his facilities, and let me tell you there is nothing special or fancy about them.

    He promised my parents, who had to take out a second mortgage – just to send me there, he told them that there was doctors on site, that there were programs specific for OCD, General Anxiety Disorder and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. None of his facilities have these options. To make things even better they did not allow me to see a doctor until the 20th day of my stay, and I asked the second day I arrived. My human rights were with held from me. But it gets better.

    John Haines preaches about being a good sober man, he preaches about ego and letting things go and growing as a person and then he does everything in his power to debilitate you from being able to do so. For example, let me explain, I arrived at Pickerel Lake aka ( Ontario North Addictions) and with me another client. This client took a particular liking to scare me, threaten me with a knife, he threaten to push me down the stairs, and lastly he threatened to stab me.

    ALL of the staff were aware of how I was being treated and how uncomfortable I felt, but John Haines did not care as he had my parents money and this other client’s money. So when things finally got out of hand according to John’s standards, he decided to kick out the client. And then accept him at one of this other facilities, for an addition 30 grand of course.

    Where this client continued to ruin the recovery and safety of other females. So that clearly did not work out for him. So what did John Haines do, kicked him out of that place and sent him back up to Pickerel Lake so that the abuse towards myself could continue, and it did. For 3 days before the client was once again asked to leave.

    Is this the type of care anyone wants to be a part of ? Or that any parent would willingly knowingly send their child? I should hope not.

    To make matters even better and to express my love for John Haines I am not going to leave about the part where he bullies his staff and clients into his own thinking. If you do not agree with him, be prepared to be belittled and degraded in front of a crowd. So badly in fact that the person he pays to run his facility told him that he was out of line.

    If John Haines is collecting all this money from all these people and places then why is it that he cannot even pay his staff on a regular basis ? Easy answer : the amount of law suits he has underway would impress us all.

    ((((He tried to black mail me into giving him an affidavit in order to help one of his law suits. Clearly I refused and then the wrath of John Haines started all over again. ))))

    I do not know of anyone who has been a part of the JOHN HAINES facilities that left happy, prepared or that were able to maintain complete sobriety. In fact every single client/staff member I know has had to completely redo portions of their program in order to let go of the anger and resentments that they have towards this disgusting cockroach of a man.

    He continues to act as though he is recovered yet if you listen to him speak for more than 2 minutes you will know everything about him, and he will not have asked you one question, however he probably will have made about 1000 assumptions. This man has no respect for women, I certainly did not receive any. He also used to refer to me as nothing but ” pussy ” to another client. HOW IN THE WORLD IS THAT PROFESSIONAL.

    Please whatever you do, do you your research. I understand that you want to save your loved ones life… but sending them to John Haine’s care is not the right place to do so.

  138. comebullymejohn says:

    John Haines BULLIED, Amanda, Threatened her WITH COURT, POLICE, LAWSUITS. She dedided to take her blog down.

    You’ve been threatening people with Lawsuts for years John. I believe if you check post on this site, you will find a few.

    So, don’t worry Amanda. You need to know your blog helped at lot of people. Allowed us to fix the CARF and NAATP LIe. This in itself is important. He was lying and got caught partially due to your blog. Bravo!

    So l’ll take over. Come and Bully Me John!

    Here it is:
    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/john-haines-vita-novus-how-it-works-bad-manners-cocaine-junkie-john-haines-l43327.html

  139. comebullymejohn says:

    Admin,

    It may be better if I Post Amanda’s Blog Here for EVERYONE TO SEE:

    SO YOU BULLIED AMANDA INTO TAKING DOWN HER BLOG. WELL, GUESS WHAT JOHN, COME AND BULLY ME. COME AND THREATEN ME WITH YOUR BULLSHIT LAWSUITS. YEAH, THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT. YOU’VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS HOW YOU’RE GOING TO “SUE” US ALL. WHAT HAPPENED JOHN? NOTHING IS RIGHT!

    STAFF SELLING DRUGS, YOUR EMPLOYEES “POPPING PILLS” WHILE DOING INTERVENTIONS? THAT’S ABOUT THE SIZE OF IT, EH JOHN!

    AGAIN, THANKS TO AMANDA FOR WHAT SHE DID!

    Bad Manners

    Monday, 23 September 2013
    John Haines/ Vita Novus/How it Works/ Pickerel Lake/ Addictions Canada/ Toronto Addictions/Ontario North Addictions
    Hi Everyone,

    It has recently been brought to my attention that the owner of the Addictions Facility that I attended, and where I was extremely mislead and mistreated has now changed all of it’s names to not have as much negative attention with the old facility names. Pickerel Lake Recovery, where I went, is now known as Ontario North Addictions and How it Works is now known as Toronto Addictions.

    Here’s the reason for this Blog. The Facilities that John Haines runs are not ran properly or up to code of standards for even prisoners, never mind the broken, forgotten , beaten and ignored souls of those whom suffer from addiction. He has had many facilities in the past 10 years of his life and each one has failed, or gained a poor reputation. Each time he continues to change the name and continue to rip off people at their most vulnerable state. He charges 30,000$ /month for care in his facilities, and let me tell you there is nothing special or fancy about them.

    He promised my parents, who had to take out a second mortgage – just to send me there, he told them that there was doctors on site, that there were programs specific for OCD, General Anxiety Disorder and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. None of his facilities have these options. To make things even better they did not allow me to see a doctor until the 20th day of my stay, and I asked the second day I arrived. My human rights were with held from me. But it gets better.

    John Haines preaches about being a good sober man, he preaches about ego and letting things go and growing as a person and then he does everything in his power to debilitate you from being able to do so. For example, let me explain, I arrived at Pickerel Lake aka ( Ontario North Addictions) and with me another client. This client took a particular liking to scare me, threaten me with a knife, he threaten to push me down the stairs, and lastly he threatened to stab me. ALL of the staff were aware of how I was being treated and how uncomfortable I felt, but John Haines did not care as he had my parents money and this other client’s money. So when things finally got out of hand according to John’s standards, he decided to kick out the client. And then accept him at one of this other facilities, for an addition 30 grand of course. Where this client continued to ruin the recovery and safety of other females. So that clearly did not work out for him. So what did John Haines do, kicked him out of that place and sent him back up to Pickerel Lake so that the abuse towards myself could continue, and it did. For 3 days before the client was once again asked to leave.

    Is this the type of care anyone wants to be a part of ? Or that any parent would willingly knowingly send their child? I should hope not.

    To make matters even better and to express my love for John Haines I am not going to leave about the part where he bullies his staff and clients into his own thinking. If you do not agree with him, be prepared to be belittled and degraded in front of a crowd. So badly in fact that the person he pays to run his facility told him that he was out of line.

    If John Haines is collecting all this money from all these people and places then why is it that he cannot even pay his staff on a regular basis ? Easy answer : the amount of law suits he has underway would impress us all. He tried to black mail me into giving him an affidavit in order to help one of his law suits. Clearly I refused and then the wrath of John Haines started all over again.

    I do not know of anyone who has been a part of the JOHN HAINES facilities that left happy, prepared or that were able to maintain complete sobriety. In fact every single client/staff member I know has had to completely redo portions of their program in order to let go of the anger and resentments that they have towards this disgusting cockroach of a man.

    He continues to act as though he is recovered yet if you listen to him speak for more than 2 minutes you will know everything about him, and he will not have asked you one question, however he probably will have made about 1000 assumptions. This man has no respect for women, I certainly did not receive any. He also used to refer to me as nothing but ” pussy ” to another client. HOW IN THE WORLD IS THAT PROFESSIONAL.

    Please whatever you do, do you your research. I understand that you want to save your loved ones life… but sending them to John Haine’s care is not the right place to do so.

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    CortBooth24 September 2013 04:37

    Please share this as much as you can on whatever outlets you can, twitter, google+, Facebook – this needs to be heard. It is absolutely disgusting what this man is doing.

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    ConMan JohnHaines5 November 2013 09:55

    Google, John Haines Rehab, Vita Novus Complaints, Addiction Canada Treatment Network Complaints, Pickerel Lake Recovery Complaints, Muskoka Recovery Complaints, Same SCAM, SAME GUY, JOHN HAINES.

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/vita-novus-new-life-recovery-center-stouffville-ontario-c353871.html?page=15

    http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/muskoka-recovery-pickerel-lake-recovery-vita-novus-reviews-complaints-l33881.html

    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2011/12/16/welcome-to-pickerel-lake-recovery-center/

    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2012/08/25/muskoka-recovery-center/

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    Muskoka karma5 November 2013 10:12

    Thank you Badmanners for putting yourself out there. YOU ARE NOT ALONE! MANY OF US WHO WERE SCREWED BY THIS COCAINE JUNKIE!!!

    John Haines is a “piece of shit.” Did you know Pickerel Lake is Not Zoned Properly. Did he tell you he was CARF Accredited. If so, you have a LEGAL CASE. IT’S CALLED FRAUD. He is NOT CARF Accredited, or Certified. Pickerel Lake is NOT ZONED PROPERLY.

    SEE HERE:

    (Copy and Paste into your Browser)

    http://www.cottagecountrynow.ca/news-story/4160449-public-airs-concerns-over-rehab-centre/

    http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk//launch.aspx?eid=69ec09fe-c076-429d-8084-c331557a261a

    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2011/12/16/welcome-to-pickerel-lake-recovery-center/

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    Muskoka karma5 November 2013 10:47

    Badmanners,

    Also, you need to call the POLICE and REPORT This!!! This is ASSAULT, Assault with a Weapon, Threatening BODILY HARM. It’ Against the Law.

    You can call: 1.800.310.1122 ( O.P.P.) and tell them you want to report an Assault that happened in Burk’s Falls at Pickerel Lake Recovery, which is going by Vita Novus, and Ontario North Addictions. They will connect you.
    Muskoka karma6 November 2013 06:59

    The number is: 1.888.310.1122. Not 1.888.; Yes, YOU NEED TO Report this Man. There was also a SEXUAL ASSAULT AT PICKEREL LAKE RECOVERY.

    Just Google, Sexual Assault Pickerel Lake Recovery, or Sexual Assault Muskoka Recovery Center.

    He and his Staff COVERED IT UP! They’ve got away with it for now. BUT LISTEN TO ME JOHN, IT’S NOT DONE AND YOU WILL BE CHARGED WITH COVERING UP A SEXUAL ASSAULT.

    So it doesn’t surprise me that you refer to your FEMALE CLIENTS AS “PUSSY.” This is the REAL JOHN HAINES AND YES, HE IS NOTHING BUT A LOW LIFE CRIMINAL, COCAINE USER, SCAMMER!!!

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    liesby johnhaines7 November 2013 05:59

    Really John. That’s your style. Posting against people who EXPOSE YOU. Nice Try John. HEY, did you get all your clients to sign the Affidavit for you?? How MANY LAWSUITS DO YOU HAVE GOING AGAINST YOU?? I hear IT’S AS LOT!!!

    Amanda, Don’t worry. We all know it’s John Posting. So much for Privacy for your Clients, eh JOhn???

    John Haines is NOTHING BUT A CONMAN, A LOW LIFE CRIMINAL, SCAMMER!

    TRY AGAIN JOHN, YOU’RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE!

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    badmanners7 November 2013 12:31

    Well first of all, let me properly address everyone. I attentended Pickeral Lake. July 2012 and have been CLEAN ever since. Plus while attended there was no client named Scotty – so Scotty is lieing. Second me and Brad never didn’t anything that wasn’t allowed by our councellours ( your still hired staff)

    I am not afraid of you John Haines. My name is Amanda English – I attended your shit facility which was illegally zoned – They have fixed that now and for your nosey ass little self Brad did not attended for free and where the money came from for my treatment is non’ yo’ damn business.

    Thanks for trying but if you speak a word of my treatment of get Nicole to make some fucked up video – that will be breeaking client rights and I’ll come aftrer you so fast it’ll be like a cokehead on an 8 ball. #couldnthelpthepun

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    badmanners7 November 2013 12:35

    Ohh I’ve jogged my memory and the names NOW fit. The two of you are johns little minions. One related I’m sure. Ryans friends since we’re all throwing out names. Part of the terrible threesome. Young female clients terrifief of you 3. You did nothing but prey on us just like the rest. Get off my blog. #calledout #hatershiding

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    badmanners7 November 2013 12:37
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    badmanners7 November 2013 12:52

    And since I’m on here defending myself the person -again since we’re throwing out names – is Andrea, that your thinking about. Plus last I heard Jordy wanted to attend FRANCO’S proper treatment… So you guys are clearly high and confused. PLUS NO ONE at pickeral lake called me AMANDA – you morons.

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    Sean Riegle7 November 2013 12:55

    Its important to realize that everyone experiences things differently, so what might not be perceived as problematic by Jordy and Scott may, in fact, be interpreted very differently by Amanda. My point is that this isn’t a simple issue that can be dismissed by saying ” oh Amanda is just bitter” There is obviously something more to what she’s saying and if you are indeed fans of the aforementioned center then I would like to think that you would want to be curious about what’s being said to find out if its true. Blind faith in anything isn’t a virtue when you can see the forest for the trees.

    The fact that Amanda, and seemingly others, have posted serious concerns with this place is both their prerogative, as it is a reflection of their overall experience, as well as it telling as to the sensitivity that staff has to people who are going through difficult times. If staff can’t manage people who may be intense or display poor judgement and bad behaviour then its perfectly acceptable for people to criticize a place that sells itself as a center for help.

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    badmanners7 November 2013 13:00

    “hey Jordie, remember that time you and one of the nurses took a bunch of hydros from a new client and sold them in your hometown? And john knew and didn’t get rid of either of you?”

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    kaylee7 November 2013 14:01

    Im loving that everybody knows about this

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    liesby johnhaines7 November 2013 13:14

    See that’s what this “Piece of Shit” Conman John Haines does, makes up LIES ABOUT ANYONE EXPOSES HIM. I’M personally PROUD OF YOU AMANDA for Exposing this Low Life Conman.

    By the way Amanda, Zoning and Licensing at Pickerel Lake Recovery, Vita Novus, or Ontario North Addictions, (call it what you want) is NOT FIXED. It was the Second Reading of the Proposed Amendments.

    As John says, the “Process” has Started, but NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. It may take anywhere from the next few months to a year before this is Zoning and Licensing issue is straightened out, it ever!

    Yeah John, Make up some more names and come back here and post. You’re a CLOWN JOHN.

    See here:
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    (FORMER CLIENT SAYS: November 2013 13:59

    John Haines is a scam artist. He managed to break up my one year engagment in a week by manipulating one of his workers back to him with false promises and lies. I only have the counselors Rick and Mel to thank for any form of support or direction. I am also wondering when i handed over the $ 32 000 money order to connie whose pocket that went into because apparently they are telling me my second visit was free? One client is the reason I am alive and he his now passed away. He got me through my detox, and got my ass back to treatment when he checked up on me and knew i was fucked up ( the only person to do a follow up of any kind). I would have died with a needle in my arm if it wasn’t for him. It breaks my heart that this is happening. Connie popped percocets in front of me and administers benzos to clients from her personal supply and recently admitted to me she is a pill popper and proceeded to call me a drunk? I dont know what kind of support that is supposed to be, and I was lied to and looked up to her thinking she was sober, when in fact she was running newmarket on pills and whatever else. I could give two shits about this but I have to speak out due to the legalities, especially having to do with the selling of a bottle of hydros by a nurse and an old client with john knowing about it. And also because he fucked with my personal life and took the person i was supposed to marry away from me, so hell yes I do have every right to be saying this because now it is VERY personal john. Im also speaking out for anybody else that had experiences like these and to support my friend. And the only bitchy ass thing im going to say is that nicole basically slept with my now ex fiance and she is married your a whore and useless at helping anybody but yourself.

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    (FORMER CLIENT SAYS: November 2013 14:02

    & RIP Ryan O’Hearn I do owe my life to you.

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    (FORMER CLIENT SAYS: November 2013 23:22

    i didnt bring up your names because i was trying to show some respect, and I never said i was a good girl in rehab, but when it comes to ryan avery, we got engaged because i was a stupid child that got manipulated and eventually very screwed over by him, but Ryan O’Hearn, you have no right to refer to or say a goddamn word you disrespectful fuck. While we are getting comfy, I also slept with Ryan O, Ryan Avery, Colton, and that little smoke show sara, and I fucking loved eating her pussy and I do not regret that by any means. So call me a whore all you would like, but Im not ashamed to tell the truth or of who I am, and it sounds like you need a serious dick pounding in your ass or something man, so go get some cock, pussy, whatever you want and enjoy your life… just make sure to use condoms so you dont knock a girl up like jordy knocked up rachel and she had to take care of that doosie oops…sex is natural thing hunnie bunnie and Im not emberassed to say that I enjoy it very much :) And as for Mel bangin Moe, NICE WORK MEL :D

    Sex is legal, unfortunately selling narcotics and much of johns work is not.

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    badmanners8 November 2013 01:48

    Bahahahah the scotty that would be around some times and then ryan avery would bad mouth you and spill all your shit? You too right jordy? You 2 can stop sucking eachothers and johns dick asap.

    Lovee ya Kayl xo
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    kaylee8 November 2013 07:00
    love ya girly xo

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    Willie Billie8 November 2013 04:55

    YOU NEED TO CONTACT THE POLICE AND REPORT THE “SELLING OF DRUGS” BY STAFF, CLIENTS, ETC…..,. THE POLICE WILL BE —VERY INTERESTED– IN KNOWING ABOUT JOHN HAINES INVOLVEMENT.

    ALSO, THE ASSAULT: IF YOU REPORT IT, I CAN TELL YOU THEY WILL LOOK INTO IT. FROM WHAT YOU SAID, I HAVE —NO DOUBT— CHARGES WILL BE LAID!

    SHUT THIS MAN AND HIS BULLSHIT REHAB CENTRE’S DOWN! CALL THE POLICE — TODAY –!!!!!

    I LOVE what you said, beautiful:

    “Sex is legal, unfortunately selling narcotics and much of johns work is not.”

    Nicely Done!

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    badmanners8 November 2013 16:09

    It took place in july 2012, not much I can do now. Plus I don’t have the $$ to go toe to toe with this monster.

    badmanners9 November 2013 04:36

    My final reply to this.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYJyNyNyFBk

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    Muskoka karma19 November 2013 11:29

    This is ANOTHER ONE OF JOHN’S REHAB CENTER’s.
    Please pass this along to people. You see, as everyone knows, when there is TOO MUCH BAD PUBLICITY about One Particular Rehab Center, then he CHANGES THE NAME. On and on it goes.

    Just want everyone to know!
    http://www.recoverynetwork.ca/

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    badmanners19 November 2013 15:40

    Pretend I knew someone working for him right now is using… How can it be made so staff are drug tested, someone using shouldn’t be a staff member…

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    badmanners19 November 2013 14:31

    Letsssss get ‘em! Just incase he’s all over this. Dear John, Karma is a callin’, amd that bitch is coming to collect.

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    Muskoka karma19 November 2013 15:42

    Why do we keep on this Loser, John Haines……..,
    because as you can see………., MORE LIES. We went through this already John.

    In case you forgot John, here it is……….,

    http://blog.canadiandrugrehabcentres.com/2012/08/25/muskoka-recovery-center/
    muskokakarma says:
    February 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Admin,

    Notice any CHANGES TO JOHN HAINES FALSE ADDS???? THE ANSWER IS YES…………, YES,……………, YES………..,

    http://www.addictioncanada.ca/
    THE OLD ADD/FRAUD BY JOHN HAINES

    • We are fully certified by the NAATP as well registered with CARF Canada to ensure you are putting your life into the hands of CERTIFIED treatment professionals

    THE NEW ADD……..,
    We are registered with the NAATP as well our organization is becoming fully accredited with CARF Canada to ensure you are putting your life into the hands of FULLY LICENSED & CERTIFIED treatment professionals.

    NAATP DID NOT CERTIFY YOUR UNLICENSED, UNZONED REHAB CENTER’S. REGISTERED WITH CARF? LET’S SEE WHAT NAATP AND CARF HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS.

    As some of you know, he is also using, ONTARIO NORTH ADDICTIONS.

    http://www.recoverynetwork.ca
    (THE LIE)

    “We are fully certified by the NAATP as well registered with CARF Canada to ensure you are putting your life into the hands of CERTIFIED treatment professionals.”

    Yeah, NO YOUR NOT. Hey John, do you think you have a PROBLEM WITH TELLING LIES??? The answer would be YES JOHN!

    (https://www.naatp.org)
    So, Today, I spoke with Amy from NAATP. Guess what, THEY WEREN’T IMPRESSED JOHN. Oh, by the way, they also told me YOUR UNLICENSED REHAB CENTER, “RECOVERYNETWORK” ( http://www.recoverynetwork.ca ) IS NOT EVEN ‘REGISTERED’ WITH THEM, ( Holy Shit Dude) NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE LYING ABOUT BEING CERTIFIED BY THEM!

    ( They will tell you, THEY DON’T CERTIFY ANYONE. YOU PAY YOUR MONEY TO BE LISTED ON THEIR SITE, THAT’S IT. SO TELL EVERYONE AGAIN HOW NAATP “CERTIFIED” YOUR UNZONED, UNLICENSED REHAB CENTER JOHN???

    You’re a BIGGER SCAMMER than I even thought!

    Hey John, THEY WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT THIS, AGAIN!!!
    So, Why do we keep on this Loser, COCAINE JUNKIE, John Haines……..,
    because as you can see………., MORE LIES!

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    badmanners20 November 2013 05:36

    Okay, so I’ve started a blog that I hope tons will see so they can know the truth, what else can I do?
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    liesby johnhaines20 November 2013 08:13

    EVERYONE Needs to POST THIS INFORMATION ‘ALL OVER THE INTERNET. I have been doing my part in EXPOSING THIS LOW LIFE PIECE OF SHIT, SCAMMER who has been RIPPING OFF ADDICTS FOR TOO LONG!!!!

    Also, call NAATP AND CARF and tell them about HIS LIES ABOUT BEING “CERTIFIED BY NAATP, AND ” REGISTERED WITH CARF.

    http://www.carf.org/home/
    CARF Canada:
    Edmonton, AB T5J 3S9, Canada
    CARF–CCAC:

    Phone: (780) 429-2538
    Toll-free: (877) 434-5444 voice
    Fax: (780) 426-7274

    1 Yonge Street, Suite 1801
    Toronto, ON M5E 1W7, Canada
    Toll-free: (888) 281-6531 ext. 3010 ( REMEMBER, STAR *67 CALL BLOCKING DOES NOT WORK ON MANY 800, 888, ETC…, PHONE LINES. THAT’s WHY SHIT HEAD JOHN HAINES WAS ‘ASKING’ PEOPLE TO CALL HIS TOLL FREE NUMBERS AND SPEAK WITH HIS ” LEGAL” PEOPLE, ETC… THAT WAY, HE KNOWS WHO’S CALLING.

    You’re so smart John. Did you learn this stuff in JAIL? CLOWN, CLOWN, CLOWN!

    When you call CARF, Ask for Dawn Pickering. JUST ASK HER IF THE SCAMMER IS “REGISTERED” WITH THEM AND WHAT DOES THE WORD REGISTERED WITH THEM ACTUALLY MEAN. IT’S MEANS….., SHIT, RIGHT JOHN!!!

    AND CALL NAATP:

    National Association of Addiction Treatment Providers – NAATP
    11380 ProsperityFarms Road, Suite 209A
    Palm BeachGardens, FL. 33410

    Phone (561) 429-4527
    Fax (561) 429-4650

    Michael E. Walsh, MS, CAP, BRI I
    President and CEO

    mwalsh@naatp.org

    Amy Greenburg
    Office Manager
    agreenburg@naatp.org

    YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN JOHN. MARK MY WORDS LOSER!!!
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    badmanners20 November 2013 15:18

    I emailed naapt – see if I hear back…

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    liesby johnhaines21 November 2013 06:12

    WELL DONE EVERYONE!!!!
    This is what happens when we BAND TOGETHER. Yeah, you should be worried John. You shouldn’t have PISSED OFF AMANDA. I guess you thought she was JUST ANOTHER “CLIENT” who you could abuse. Take her MONEY, AND EVERYONE’S ELSES. AND YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH THIS FOREVER.

    NO, NO, NO. You’ve PISSED OFF THE WRONG PEOPLE MR. Rehab. Ha, Ha, Ha!!!

    I guess enough people called NAATP. See the CHANGE. Now he is “REGISTERED” WITH THEM. NOT CERTIFIED BY NAATP like he’s BEEN TELLING EVERYONE.

    NOW IT’S TIME TO CALL CARF AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT “REGISTERED’ WITH CARF MEANS. CAN YOU TELL US JOHN???
    http://www.recoverynetwork.ca ( NEW ADD)

    We are a fully certified organization, registered with the NAATP, CACCF, APASK as well as CARF Canada to ensure you are putting your life into the hands of fully LICENSED and CERTIFIED treatment professionals.

    Remember, NON OF HIS BULLSHIT REHAB CENTER’S ARE LICENSED LIKE HE’S TRYING TO TELL EVERYONE. Why Johh, Oh yeah, THERE IS NO LICENSING PROCESS ((EXCEPT BY THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY))

    So John, Can you POST YOUR LICENSE(S) FOR YOU UNZONED, UNLICENSED REHAB CENTER’S ON YOUR WEBSITE SO THAT WE CAN ALL SEE???

    Yeah, the ANSWER IS NO, RIGHT JOHN. YOU’RE NOTHING BUT A COCAINE JUNKIE, LIAR. YOUR STAFF SELLS DRUGS, POPPING PILLS WHILE DOING INTERVENTIONS, SCREWING EVERYONE, YOU COVERED UP A SEXUAL ASSAULT…., OH YEAH, YOU CALLED AMANDA VERY NASTY NAMES.

    So guess what John, you thought IT WAS BAD BEFORE. WE ARE ALL EXPOSING YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE. Greathealer MY ASS. More like CON MAN, COCAINE JUNKIE, SCAMMER.

    YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN!!!

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    Muskoka karma21 November 2013 07:20

    Yes, well done everyone! BUT REMEMBER, you are dealing with John Haines. You know when his mouth opens, it’s going to be a LIE.

    I just spoke with Amy from NAATP. What about John? Oh, you know, you saying you are ‘REGISTERED” with them. So, knowing you have a PROBLEM WITH TELLING LIES, I went to the Members Search Area of their Website, and guess what? No, RECOVERYNETWORK.CA listed in THEIR MEMBERSHIP DIRECTORY. https://www.naatp.org/

    Not your fault John? Everyone one else is lying John? Well, they know now how you operate and I guess you will be receiving a call soon about, LYING THAT RECOVERNETWORK.CA IS REGISTERED WITH NAATP.
    LOSER!!!

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    badmanners21 November 2013 10:45

    Let me be very very clear. My intention was to never harm or hurt anyone in this process of writing a blog. You are 100 % right, he pissed of the wrong girl. He thought that because I was a piece of young ” pussy” , and knew I had issues with men bigger and stronger than me that he would intimidate me.

    John, You haven’t. And in case you get all preachy about my personal business let me remind you of confidentiality and all the people I became friendly with at Pickerel Lake, everyone from the maintenance staff to the cooking and cleaning stafff, all who love and adored me. Remember how on my last 2 days you tried to build me up and make me look like a ” winner” in front of the fresh newbies you were about to screw over. It didn’t and hasn’t erased anything you have done John. I heard that on your stupid fucking youtube channel you have started calling out clients by name. Yes thats correct everyone Sangeria or something like that (please excuse my ignorance) was a client and he has blasted him on youtube. Like I said I refuse to watch the channel and give the fucker more views… but I know that there are people who have backed down from you John, people who have asked me to keep their business out of here because you have threatened to expose them publicly. John you know NOTHING about me, not on a personal level all you know is how many digits went beside my parents names on the cheque. But you best believe, on my little brothers grave, if you throw my name on your channel, if you even whisper it. If you talk Nicole Lawley into exposing me as she was my counselor, I swear it on the little boy’s grave whom I love so much – you will NOT win that battle John.

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    liesby johnhaines21 November 2013 12:46

    ANOTHER CHANGE TO RECOVERYNETWORK.CA

    Now John is Saying:
    “registered with and members of NAATP, CACCF, APASK as well as CARF Canada.”

    You are Registered and a Member of CARF? Gee, I can’t find you on their website
    and No, you are NOT A MEMBER OF NAATP. I just checked their Membership Directory, and NO recovernetwork.ca YOU’RE A…….., LIAR BUDDY BOY!

    So how did NAATP “Certify” you Mr. Rehab? John, you’re a LOSER, A CLOWN, PEOPLE ARE LAUGHING AT YOU!!!

    Get off the Cocaine for a while and clear your head. I think you know, there are LOTS OF PEOPLE WAITING ON THE SIDE LINE, WAITING FOR THE RIGHT TIME TO TELL THEIR STORY, TO EXPOSE YOU!

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    Willie Billie22 November 2013 07:56

    Hello Everybody:

    It’s good to see PEOPLE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO EXPOSE THIS “PREDATOR” And that’s Exactly what he is a ‘PREDATOR.” Hunting for ADDICTS HE CAN RIP OFF!!!

    People are asking what to do about this SCAMMER. Here is some information for all of you.

    John Haines in NOT Registered with or a Member of CARF. Everyone needs to contact Dawn Pickering and inform her about recoverynetwork.ca where John says he is “Registered with and a Member of CARF.” HE IS NOT!!

    When you email Dawn, put the link to recoverynetwork.ca so she can see for herself what this Conman is up to AGAIN.

    They are familiar with this Scam Artist. They made him Remove another Add he had posted else where on the internet. On that add he said he was LICENSED BY CARF.

    Dawn’s email address: dpickering@carf.org

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    Willie Billie22 November 2013 08:31
    take off the dot at the end of .org

    dpickering@carf.org

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    Rehabloser JohnHaines22 November 2013 09:16

    If John Haines is a Member of CARF, then this speaks volumes about the CREDIBILITY OF CARF! Letting someone like John Haines become a Member? If there is any truth to this, then this information has to get out!

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    Dorthy Wilson22 November 2013 12:22

    It would be of great help to everyone if CARF would clearify their relationship with John Haines, Vita Novus, if there is any to begin with???

    http://www.recoverynetwork.ca/

    We are a fully certified organization, registered with and members of NAATP, CACCF, APASK as well as CARF Canada

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    CARF NAATP24 November 2013 06:58

    Good Morning to All.

    Couple of things; CARF AND NAATP ARE BULLSHIT ORGANIZATIONS!

    Naapt doesn’t check what people put on their website. It was said before and it’s true, they just take your money and you put whatever you want. Some of you may remember, CARF did however make john Haines remove the LIE that he was ACCREDITED BY THEM, which he is NOT and that’s why they MADE HIM REMOVE THAT PARTICULAR LISTING.

    Where did John Post that…., well, he posted in on the NAAPT Website because he knows NAATP doesn’t check their client posting! I understand because of the John Haines situation, they may start, but the bottom line is both CARF AND NAAPT ARE BULLSHIT!

    If CARF is ok with John Haines saying that he is Registered and a Member of their BULLSHIT ORGANIZATION, then good for them and as someone on the above post said, this speaks volumes about the CREDIBILITY OF CARF!

    Now back to NAATP; they have let John Haines post that he is LICENSED. We all know THAT’S NOT TRUE, BUT HERE YOU GO, SEE FOR YOURSELF:

    https://www.naatp.org/facility/addiction-canada-treatment-network-2/

    See where he says he is LICENSED? Yeah John, YOU’RE NOT!

    https://www.naatp.org/facility/vita-novus-inc/

    and AGAIN……, See where he says he is LICENSED? Yeah John, YOU’RE NOT!

    The BOTTOM LINE is like many of you, I WILL KEEP EXPOSING THIS CONMAN FOR WHAT HE IS….., A SCAMMER, A RIPPOFF ARTIST, WHO COVERED UP A SEXUAL ASSAULT AMONG OTHER THINGS! GO JOHN HAINES…,. HEY I’M WAITING FOR MORE OF YOUR YOUTUBE VIDS BUDDY BOY. COME ON BE A BUDDY, POST SOME MORE…, YOU FUCKIN’ LOSER!!!

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    CARF NAATP25 November 2013 05:30

    http://www.recoverynetwork.ca/

    ANOTHER ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR EVERYONE, WHO CALLED/EMAILED CARF. WELL DONE!!! ( just getting started John!)

    ANOTHER CHANGE TO RECOVERYNETWORK.CA
    ( The emails and calls to CARF obviously GOT THEIR ATTENTION regarding SCAMMER John Haines)

    Now John is Saying that he is NOT A MEMBER OR REGISTERED WITH CARF. Oh Yeah, HE NEVER WAS TO BEGIN WITH. NOW I GUESS HE REALIZES. TOO MANY LIES JOHN. GET OFF THE COCAINE FOR A WHILE!

    John Haines Says:

    We are a fully certified organization, registered with and members of NAATP, CACCF, APASK as well as ** becoming fully accredited with CARF Canada** to ensure you are putting your life into the hands of fully LICENSED and CERTIFIED treatment professionals.

    BIG DIFFERENCE FROM:

    We are a fully certified organization, **registered with and members of NAATP, CACCF, APASK as well as CARF Canada.**

    Would be easier to just tell the Truth John. You don’t know how to do that. So, we WILL ALL HELP YOU OUT!!! Yes, people are laughing at you. Three changes to recoverynetwork.ca regarding CARF AND NAATP in less then Three Days.

    NOW, PEOPLE NEED TO CALL NAATP AND TELL THEM THAT JOHN HAINES REHAB CENTER’S ARE NOT LICENSED!!!

    NAATP, BY ALLOWING HIM TO PUT ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT HE IS LICENSED, IS ‘ENABLING’ ( A WORD YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH JOHN) HIM TO CONTINUE THIS FRAUD/FALSE ADVERTISING.

    THEY ( NAATP) BY THEIR ‘ NEGLIGENCE’ ARE ALLOWING JOHN HAINES TO CONTINUE TO ” MISLEAD PEOPLE.”

    YOU PEOPLE AT NAATP NEED TO SMARTEN UP AND START TO CHECK WHAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING ON YOUR WEBSITE!!!

    National Association of Addiction Treatment Providers – NAATP
    Phone (561) 429-4527 – Fax (561) 429-4650

    Michael E. Walsh, MS, CAP, BRI I -President and CEO

    mwalsh@naatp.org

    Amy Greenburg – Office Manager – EMAIL – agreenburg@naatp.org
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    Dorthy Wilson25 November 2013 07:40

    I want to personally thank Amanda for this blog. We have had dealings with John Haines also. He took us for a lot of money too, Amanda. I know he has done this to a lot of people. Thank you to everyone for letting the public know about this man.

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    motherconned byjohnhaines25 November 2013 10:09

    John has several, ongoing lawsuits at the present time, according to our lawyer. Our money was stolen by John also. I would like to know about the staff “popping pills”, “selling drugs” etc…, This information would be important for our lawsuits against this man.

    You can email me @: angrymotherconnedbyjohnhaines@gmail.com

    (FORMER CLIENT SAYS: November 2013 13:59

    Connie popped percocets in front of me and administers benzos to clients from her personal supply and recently admitted to me she is a pill popper and proceeded to call me a drunk? I dont know what kind of support that is supposed to be, and I was lied to and looked up to her thinking she was sober, when in fact she was running newmarket on pills and whatever else. I could give two shits about this but I have to speak out due to the legalities, especially having to do with the selling of a bottle of hydros by a nurse and an old client with john knowing about it.

    This story I wrote of my experience is now being taken out of control. Certain have bullied Kaylee intto taking down her posts. And now I am being threatened with police and court. I don’t feel I have done anything wrong exceptshare my experience and now I’m being threatened. NOW WHAT

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    ConMan JohnHaines25 November 2013 15:51

    Amanda,

    This is how John Haines works. You know that. He did it to you! He threatens, and threatens, and threatens. Now he ‘BULLIED’ kaylee. People, you need to take a stand AGAINST THIS CONMAN, THIS BULLY!

    And as far as the Police go….., they have investigated John Haines. Remember he has many, many criminal convictions. He said so himself numerous times.

    John knows the Police will not lay any charges. Actually, they won’t even get involved…., unless there is threat of physical harm. So again, this BULLY IS FULL OF SHIT.

    In the last week we have been able to NOTIFY CARF, NAATP ABOUT THE LIES HE POSTED….., Certified by Naatp, Not True……, Registered and a Member of Carf, Not True, Licensed, Not True!

    Kaylee, you need to repost what happened to you, what you saw. The only person you are helping by removing your post is John Haines. Believe me, there is NO COURT! He’s threaten many people in the last 5 years who have spoken about against him. NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, RIGHT JOHN!!!

    Why, he knows he’s RIPPED OFF MANY, MANY PEOPLE. The LAST THING HE WANTS IS TO GO TO COURT! Then he’ll have to explain about the Sexual Assault, the Selling of Drugs by Staff, His staff “Popping Pills’ when doing Interventions, and many other things.

    You need to laugh at this guy. If you received a threatening email, YOU SHOULD POST IT HERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE. TAKE THE “AIR OUT OF THIS SCAMMER’S BALLOON.”

    It’s really interesting what happens when you SHED LIGHT ON EVIL! THIS COCK ROACH IS NOTHING, BUT A BULLY. LAUGH AT HIM AND, TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF!
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    ConMan JohnHaines25 November 2013 16:13

    Amanda,

    This may sound funny, but to put your mind at rest, call up your local police department and ask to speak to an Officer about this situation. You don’t have to get into it. Tell them you are being threatened by Shit Head about an experience you had at One of his Bullshit Rehab Centre’s.

    Ask what are the Legalities. You know what you will be told? What I just said. No Police involvement. John knows this because he’s run to the Police on more then One Occasion to TRY TO GET THEM TO ‘LAY CHARGES” TO LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT HIM. Crying to them about how he’s been called a…., SCAMMER, A CONMAN, A COCAINE JUNKIE! He’s is all this PLUS MORE.

    John, why don’t you share what the Police told you. Ha, Ha, Ha…., That’s right SCAMMER…, they LAUGHED AT YOU. DON’T LET THIS CONMAN SCARE YOU. JUST LIKE HE LIED ABOUT BEING LICENSED, BEING “CERTIFIED” BY NAATP, BEING “REGISTERED” WITH CARF, BEING A “MEMBER” OF CARF, HE’S LYING ABOUT THE POLICE AND COURT.

    Someone Once Said…., “All that is required for EVIL ( John Haines) TO PREVAIL, IS FOR GOODMEN,(WOMEN) TO STAND BY AND DO NOTHING!

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